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He retired in 2004 when the likes of Carrick hadn't even made much of a name for himself.

 

we'd been playing him on the wing and shit, he'd have stayed longer if it was his team imo.

 

anyway fair enough I'll step away

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Carrick being widely praised seems to be a very contempary opinion as far as I can tell since everybody got fed up with Lampard/Gerrard and it was in vogue to have a 'controlling' central midfielder in international football. That ignores the fact Carrick is simply not that good. He's one of a number of stable but unspectacular players Fergie managed to lift ridiculous performances out of throughout his career as far as I'm concerned.

 

Carrick is one of those 'pulls the strings' midfielders who will always be overrated by nerds who think they can read the game better than everyone else. He's alright though.

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Carrick has been a great footballer. Not in that top Scholes bracket but just below.

 

No way is Carrick 'just below' Scholes. Carrick has beeen/is a good player but he's nowhere near Scholes

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Carrick has been a great footballer. Not in that top Scholes bracket but just below.

 

No way is Carrick 'just below' Scholes. Carrick has beeen/is a good player but he's nowhere near Scholes

 

For me personally - there hasn't been too many English midfielders who have looked so comfortable in the latter stages of the CL so frequently. And not just running around but helping to control a tie. His reading of the game is impressive. He has great footballing intelligence. While not physical defensively he's good and we know his passing is quick and varied.

 

Because of his style he should still have a few years in him.

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Carrick has always been an underrated player, an English Xabi alonso if you like. I would have had him in my England side in his pomp playing just in front of the back four as a deep rooted playmaker/spoiler type with Lampard further forward. Gerrard consigned to the... bench!

 

Scholes... best English footballer since Gazza in my opinion.

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Thing is Carrick has had plenty of chances for England.  Has not performed to his club level, even at his peak. Time to move on from him .

 

And he'll be nearly 35 by Euro 2016, clearly not a player to be building the midfield around for the long-term.

 

Carrick has been criminally underused by England for near on a decade however now, given his age and reliability issues it's almost pointless including him if they're attempting to 'build for the future'.

 

So yeah, what Disco said 3 days ago. :lol:

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Carrick's inclusion is a reflection of the fact that our other CM players tend to be attacking rather than defensive, and we need someone in an anchoring position. I don't think Henderson or Delph fit the bill - Mason is worth a look.

 

Even Carrick isn't ideally suited, and of course we need to bring someone else through.

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Agree that Carrick didn't hit his club form but with a caveat bigger than that point - when used he still looked very promising and a much better fit than Gerrard with Lampard but was always unceremoniously dropped for those two.

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