Chicken Dancer Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Will fucking kill me watching Barton play for another team, the same it did with Carroll and will eventually with Enrique. I know players come and go, but with this bunch I had a real sense of pride, like it actually meant something to the lot of them. Ah well, back to square one I guess. Hope to fuck Mike, Pardew and Dekka have some good replacements lined up like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Aye, be horrible watching Barton in another shirt like (if he leaves). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted May 25, 2011 Share Posted May 25, 2011 Aye, be horrible watching Barton in another shirt like (if he leaves). It would be if he ended up at a better club but since he won't I don't really care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 It was only the other day he was saying he would be demanding to be captain at any club other than us. He's not gonna get those demands met at a better club than us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Like Enrique, he's on a big wage -- more than he'll get elsewhere. So he'll hang on and bank as much of that as poss, and then hope for a lucrative Bosman. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I don't really like Barton anywhere near as much as I used to like Carroll or Enrique. He's had three seasons of sucking up wages and doing absolutely nowt to make up for. He's only just gone up in my estimation from the "Alan Smith" level to the "okay, good player" level. If this isn't just McKay being McKay and he is indeed trying to hold the club hostage over this contract, he can fuck right off. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The simple fact of the matter is that we can't keep letting good first team players leave. How many is this that this mob have overseen leaving now, assuming he goes? Carroll goes, "he's not irreplaceable", Enrique might be away, "he's not irreplaceable", now Barton and people are saying the same, wake up ffs. You can't have success or even progress with such a high turnover of players and it's not easy to find players as good as these... that's why they cost so much money. Sounds simple but plenty of people don't seem to get it judging by the posts on here. I've said this before but Ferguson's success at Man Utd has never been based on simply buying good players, it is on keeping good players, occasionally adding to them and then keeping those good players too. The turnover of players there is incredibly low and that's not just because players don't want to leave, it's that he sees the value of keeping a team together even when some of those players are inferior to ones he could easily go and shell out a fortune on. There's not a good player has left recently that hasn't been called a cunt upon leaving. When will the penny drop that maybe the club and those running it is the common factor? We should be doing everything we can to keep these players that make up the core of our team. Even if Barton was going to be replaced, then he becomes a quality squad player over time. Right now, we buy a top class wide player and it's still Ryan Taylor or Guthrie waiting in reserve when he gets injured/suspended/is shit Progress under this lot? Keep dreaming. Pig sick of it, it's fucking ridiculous. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I've said this before but Ferguson's success at Man Utd has never been based on simply buying good players, it is on keeping good players, Such as Ronaldo, Beckham, Stam, Keane, van Nistelrooy? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I've said this before but Ferguson's success at Man Utd has never been based on simply buying good players, it is on keeping good players, Such as Ronaldo, Beckham, Stam, Keane, van Nistelrooy? How long were Beckham and Keane at Man Utd for ffs? I never said he's supposed to still have Bryan Robson on the books for Christ's sake. Man Utd keep their players longer than any other team in England, that is unarguable fact, and it includes the likes of Brown, O'Shea, Fletcher. It's about keeping a team together. Too many people now think management is like a computer game - "Barton's leaving, ah he's only a 8, we'll just buy a 9". It's not that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 The simple fact of the matter is that we can't keep letting good first team players leave. How many is this that this mob have overseen leaving now, assuming he goes? Carroll goes, "he's not irreplaceable", Enrique might be away, "he's not irreplaceable", now Barton and people are saying the same, wake up ffs. You can't have success or even progress with such a high turnover of players and it's not easy to find players as good as these... that's why they cost so much money. Sounds simple but plenty of people don't seem to get it judging by the posts on here. I've said this before but Ferguson's success at Man Utd has never been based on simply buying good players, it is on keeping good players, occasionally adding to them and then keeping those good players too. The turnover of players there is incredibly low and that's not just because players don't want to leave, it's that he sees the value of keeping a team together even when some of those players are inferior to ones he could easily go and shell out a fortune on. There's not a good player has left recently that hasn't been called a c*** upon leaving. When will the penny drop that maybe the club and those running it is the common factor? We should be doing everything we can to keep these players that make up the core of our team. Even if Barton was going to be replaced, then he becomes a quality squad player over time. Right now, we buy a top class wide player and it's still Ryan Taylor or Guthrie waiting in reserve when he gets injured/suspended/is s*** Progress under this lot? Keep dreaming. Pig sick of it, it's f***ing ridiculous. For the record, I think Barton is still staying, and Enrique hasn't been sold yet. So to answer your question, # of key first team players moved on so far under this mob = 1 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Er apart from Milner, N'Zogbia, Given, Bassong et al. If you really think progress can be had by selling your better players and having a team dismantled every two years then you're free to believe that but you're wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 All 4 of them wanted to leave though, there's nothing we could do about it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Er apart from Milner, N'Zogbia, Given, Bassong et al. If you really think progress can be had by selling your better players and having a team dismantled every two years then you're free to believe that but you're wrong. I don't believe that and never said I did so I'm not wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Carlito Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 All 4 of them wanted to leave though, there's nothing we could do about it. Just because they want to leave doesn't force you into saying yes though. Money from the sale isn't always the best option, as we'll probably find out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldtype Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 All 4 of them wanted to leave though, there's nothing we could do about it. Just because they want to leave doesn't force you into saying yes though. Money from the sale isn't always the best option, as we'll probably find out. Besides, Ashley probably forced them to hand in a transfer request anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Too many people now think management is like a computer game - "Barton's leaving, ah he's only a 8, we'll just buy a 9". It's not that simple. Especially when we wait until August 31st then desperately sign a 6. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
80 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I've said this before but Ferguson's success at Man Utd has never been based on simply buying good players, it is on keeping good players, occasionally adding to them and then keeping those good players too. The turnover of players there is incredibly low and that's not just because players don't want to leave, it's that he sees the value of keeping a team together even when some of those players are inferior to ones he could easily go and shell out a fortune on. This bit is especially right. By good luck we finally had a great (and large) nucleus at this club. It's not nearly so great now and it soon won't exist. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VegasToon Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 I am confident he will sign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 from The Fiver yesterday: "In a move straight from Contract Negotiations 101, Joey Barton's Mr 15% claims the midfielder will leave the club on a free next summer because Newcastle won't give him a new deal." pretty much sums it up form me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 All depends on what the deal being offered is really. I'd like to keep Barton, always gives 100% and can play out wide or in the middle. Probably the best crosser of a ball we have too. But on the other hand he's been anything but consistent since he signed for us, between his form and injury issues last year was the first good year he's had really. If he's after a 3 or 4 year deal with big money and we give it to him and he either starts playing shite again or starts missing time through injury will he really be worth it? He's also been pretty terrible when played centrally for the most part, you could argue that he should only play out wide from here on if last season is anything to go by. If I were certain the wages saved would all be put towards new signings then I'd probably be fine with seeing him go. Therein lies the problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
morpeth mag Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 There's also the age factor as at 29(?) he might only have 2 or 3 years left as a premier midfielder. Personally I like him but he's not worth breaking the bank for and I'm not sure if other clubs would pay him £60k pw even if he was a free transfer. I think a deal will be done at some stage. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 29 year old on a high value 4 year deal, i don't think so. Im sure a deal will be done at some point, I can't see other clubs matching his wage and come next year if he has a shitter then he will be in a even worse position. I hope he realises that he wont get a chance to play on a bigger stage at this point of his career, he moves are going to be the likes of Blackburn/Stoke/Bolton/Villa and a like, all teams of similar stature to us but with a lower fan base. Overall i'd like to keep him but i wouldn't want to offer him anything over 3 years and certainly not on his reported coin he gets now. This whole saga is classic agent spew, the fucking dregs of the industry looking for a 15% cut for spunking players at other clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 'Club source' aka Derek in the Express: "We offered Joey a new contract in January which was turned down. That's his right, but we will not be offering him another deal and we are happy to go into the final year of his contract next season.". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 Article also says he's felt to be a bad influence in the dressing room and they're holding the door open for him to leave. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest toonlass Posted May 26, 2011 Share Posted May 26, 2011 'Club source' aka Derek in the Express: "We offered Joey a new contract in January which was turned down. That's his right, but we will not be offering him another deal and we are happy to go into the final year of his contract next season.". Article also says he's felt to be a bad influence in the dressing room and they're holding the door open for him to leave. Jeez, this fucking club! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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