Joey Barton (now retired)

[KaKa]

 

How can you confirm reports? You can choose to believe whatever you want given what's out there.

 

So it hasn't been coinfirmed, thanks.

 

No it hasn't been "coin"firmed if you are talking legal jargon. I'm not sure what coinfirmed even means unless you are writing with a New Jersey accent.

 

 

 

[ponsaelius]

Probably been said, but it seems once again that Ashley not only has the local media in his pocket, but also some of the national media. The local media probably want to keep him sweet, so will watch what they say and I'd imagine that he has mate's in the national press who will look after him too. Didn't one of them used to write for the NotW? Either way, it's a sorry state of affairs when recent history is being revised to get Barton out of the door and also to get NUFC fans to turn against him. What a scummy club we currently support. Makes me ashamed to be a black and white at the moment. Even more so than when those knackers ran on the pitch at Darlington the other week - this is far worse.

 

And again, which quality players are going to come and play for an owner who will stab you in the back at the first available sign of dissent/opportunity?

 

Ben Arfa, cabaye, Ba, Marveaux?

 

DUH!

 

 

Most of them unproven in the PL! Ba has onyl played 12 games, ffs. And if they joined on the promise of the club pushing on and showing ambition, what do you think will happen next year when hopefully we've managed to stay clear of relegation (which is looking likely)? They will be off quicker than s*** off a shovel.

 

Side point but every player in the entire league was 'unproven in the PL' as some point. Think people place too much on this.

 

There's always an excuse.

 

Their always injured and so they aren't good signings!

 

They're unporven in the league!

 

They're Frencch bottlers!

 

They don't have enough passion!

 

Boring.

 

There's plenty examples of players moving about within the league and not being successful at their new clubs, which is what I think people overlook. As a high profile example look at Torres.

[Foluwashola]

Why the feck does everyone keep going on about its wrong to let him go on a free ?

 

He was leaving on a free anyway at the end of season, no contract being offered and no one wanted to buy him anyway, the teams are only interested in him as he for nothing, with everything thats happened it has got to be the right thing to part ways surely, for the sake of a couple million.

 

What you have to realise is people cannot look past their hatred for Ashley and Llambias in any single circumstance.

 

No matter what any individual does they will claim it is right as long as it is in opposition to Ashley.

 

Joey Barton and Willie McKay are clearly using this to their advantage in this situation.

 

I don't know when it became acceptable to rubbish your club and behave so badly because you don't think the owner is spending enough money, or giving contracts to your mates.

 

The owners have stated that this is how the club is going to be run. Support the team, and look forward to better days, whether that be a change in ownersip as some want, or a change in policy.

 

Interesting to note the window has a month to run still, but people have convinced themselves that no more players are coming in, and are being fueled by this rage.

 

What have Everton done this window? What of Villa? Did they not just get £36 million from the Downing and Young sales? Other than Zoggy, what?

 

Senseless behaviour.

 

Its got nothing to do with a blind hatred of MA/DL, man. Believe it or not, fans want what is best for the team on the pitch.

 

Barton, despite all his drawbacks, was a key player last season and would in all likelihood have been as influential this year. You can wank yourself silly over Barton's sale all you want, it won't hide the fact we're another player short going into the season.

[Mick]

 

Mick it's a public forum to debate issues. If you are going to start playing lawyer rather than tell us your opinion then don't complain if others do the same.

 

It has nothing to do with being a lawyer, if people are going to make claims then they should be able to back them up.

[kingkerouac]

Sad, sad day for NUFC.

The club is falling apart from the inside.

And there is one man to blame.

Ashley.

 

Hang your head you clueless, cockney gangster.

[Dokko]

It shouldn't be too difficult to find a right midfielder/winger to replace Barton IMO.

 

In theory no, in practice - with this NUFC - I can't see it materialising.

 

It depends really. I can see Ashley replacing him with someone better, just to piss Joey off and show he wasn't needed. It's exactly the kind of move he'd make outside the club in his businesses, hopefully Barton has pissed him off enough to trigger said reaction.

[ToonTastic]

I think IF the club signed someone as a comparable/better player to replace JB I dont think there would be half as much of an up roar, as most of us now has 5% faith in the management of the club we all worry it will be the kids being asked (used as a reason to say we dont need a replacement) and leaving the squad down a player.

 

really ? I have 0% faith in the board or management of the club and not just because of Joey Barton. If the manager had decided that Barton wasn't needed and had bought in his replacement and then transfer listed Barton we wouldn't be talking about Newcastle United football club.

 

the management and signing of tiote and ben arfa gives me that smidge of faith but I agree what your saying we do tend to always do things arse over tit but Barton has been forcing the clubs hands for months now no one has rushed out to take him cutting losses seems to have been the course of action the club has taken (the involvement of the manager is all this is probably just as debateable).

 

this has been sai time and time again that no one player is newcastle united newcastle united the club will be around long after (we hope) get rid and move on.

 

Charlton are a league 1 club, they banned all their players from social networking sites I believe. Is it really that hard for us to do the same ? If they don't listen you fine them, if they still don't listen you then follow the next step in your clubs disciplinary rules. It's not so hard, makes you look like a professionally run organisation and helps keep you out of the press for the wrong reasons.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

Probably been said, but it seems once again that Ashley not only has the local media in his pocket, but also some of the national media. The local media probably want to keep him sweet, so will watch what they say and I'd imagine that he has mate's in the national press who will look after him too. Didn't one of them used to write for the NotW? Either way, it's a sorry state of affairs when recent history is being revised to get Barton out of the door and also to get NUFC fans to turn against him. What a scummy club we currently support. Makes me ashamed to be a black and white at the moment. Even more so than when those knackers ran on the pitch at Darlington the other week - this is far worse.

 

And again, which quality players are going to come and play for an owner who will stab you in the back at the first available sign of dissent/opportunity?

 

Ben Arfa, cabaye, Ba, Marveaux?

 

DUH!

 

 

Most of them unproven in the PL! Ba has onyl played 12 games, ffs. And if they joined on the promise of the club pushing on and showing ambition, what do you think will happen next year when hopefully we've managed to stay clear of relegation (which is looking likely)? They will be off quicker than s*** off a shovel.

 

Side point but every player in the entire league was 'unproven in the PL' as some point. Think people place too much on this.

 

There's always an excuse.

 

Their always injured and so they aren't good signings!

 

They're unporven in the league!

 

They're Frencch bottlers!

 

They don't have enough passion!

 

Boring.

 

Tend to agree with this, the lack of any optimism about our new signings is pretty depressing. Cabaye and Ben Arfa in particular I'm very happy about, and Ba is (shock horror) proven to be able to get goals at this level.

[kingkerouac]

Pardew next?

[TRon]

Well if he's not unhappy he's certainly doing a good impression of it.

 

If I thought he would think logically like you and not cause any problems because it wouldn't be in his interests the I'd agree with you, but if that was the case he wouldn't have done the tweeting in the first place.

 

The timing of him doing that makes it look quite reactionary doesnt it? Not something that would have persisted. Look at his reaction to Nolan being sold, his initial comments before coming around to "well thats just how clubs work" hours later. He'd have been fine man, we've dealt with this very badly.

 

You are ignoring what has been brewing since January wrt his new contract. You can't just pretend this is just a couple of twitters in isolation, this has been brewing for months and at the earliest opportunity Barton has tried to divide the dressing room. The only way to deal with it is to get him and any other resentful prick out of the club.

 

Tried to divide the dressing room 

 

You couldnt be more biased towards disliking the guy in the first place its beyond apparent. Your conclusions all have alternative options and you are ignoring all of them purely to choose the single idea that fits with what you personally want to believe. No sensible reasoning behind it atall.

 

On the contrary I'm pretty sure I posted here only last week that I felt Joey was going to be a key player here for us this season as I felt he would add much needed steel. So that pretty much blows your bias argument out of the water. (See if I was Mick I would be instructing a lawyer to request you withdraw that accusation or there would be serious consequences).

 

I can post a link if you like.

[Guest cr4igora]

Mike and Derek could kidnap Alan Shearer and Robert Lee, roll them up in a carpet and throw them off a bridge live on NUFCTV and some people would decide that it must have been justified, they were loose cannons and disruptive influences and they were s*** anyway.  It's like being in North Korea, anyone who is punished must have been a subversive traitor who hates the club and wants to destroy it from within.

 

That's it keep your head up your arse while Joey gleefully wrecks the dressing room by ranting at the new players who have replaced his best mate Nolan. When he signs for Spurs you can sing his his name when he turns up at St James on the bench. 

 

I'm sure when these new players get p*ssed off as well they'll get little horns drawn on them in your Panini book an'all.

 

People on here seem to be under the illusion that some of us are happy with all the decisions that have been made by Ashley & co because we are not pro-Barton. That is far from the truth, for me anyway. I was gutted when Carroll left and the same for Nolan, but Joey is not a decent character and I think his actions are just proving too detrimental to the spirit of the squad (amongst other core problems we have at the club, before you jump on that)!

[Big Geordie]

People need to find ways to justify the idea that Bartons turned into an animal again, so that they can delude themselves about our club actually being run really well as it'll make them feel a bit better. He spoke out on twitter, following Enrique? Forget Enrique, Bartons going to ruin morale !!

He was supposedly annoyed during a match we poor in v Leeds? There are definately no alternative responses if true, other than making him train alone. Pardew could not talk to him about it, he could not be fined, the situation could not be calmed in anyway using communication. No, we need punishment & to expand the situation further.

 

People who don't agree with what Barton has done are NOT CLAIMING THE CLUB IS BEING RUN WELL FFS!! That's nonsense. I don't like who runs our club, I don't like the LARGE majority of the decisions that have been made and I hate the lies we are fed. In this instance however, I believe we have done the right thing. It's just a shame we won't get a fee for him, when he leaves.

 

So the large amount of shock due to how this has been handled, doesnt suggest to you that there was any other way to deal with this situation?

 

You think this decision is the least likely to affect club morale (given the current viewable reaction of the players) & the one most likely to bring us success to Newcastle United?

 

Really ?

 

If Barton genuinely gave a s*** about the club and the morale of the team, he'd pipe the f*** down. He's out there to boost his own ego and he doesn't have the intelligence to realise what consequences his actions will cause.

 

Is how you're choosing to see it. Given his history as quite a driven & affected player, its perhaps more likely that he was talking out frustration given that we'd just lost to leeds & played pretty poorly.

 

His twitter comments would have been forgotten about in about 3 days & is no excuse for those in charge making a decision which would then affect the morale of the team in a much worse manner. Which is what you're trying to claim was the right thing to do.

 

But like I said in a few (million) posts back, his comments on Twitter were just an aggravation in all this if you ask me. His kicking-off in the dressing room at half-time against Leeds and the fact he is publicly telling Alan Pardew that he is making the wrong decision in letting someone else take corners/free kicks, is the issue that's caused all this.

 

Has his 'kicking off at Leeds' been confirmed by anyone else, bar Peter Beardsley who also happens to be in Ashley's pocket? He has spoken in support of the regime before and I'm sure will do so again. /o\

[Dokko]

It shouldn't be too difficult to find a right midfielder/winger to replace Barton IMO. Getting rid saves £3-4m a year in wages, I think for that plus a couple of mill (Routledge) you'd find a more effective player on the wing.

 

If we got Barnetta as a direct replacement for Barton, would it be such a bad move?

 

Still think we could have got some money for him, or a swap.

 

I can also see his new team playing him centrally and again not doing so well, sure clubs won't be bringing him in as a makeshift right mid.

 

Saving 3 - 4 million is great, until you have to pay the replacement.

 

Maybe the replacement won't continuously bite the hand that feeds them.

[Skirge]

I guess what Fergie would or would not have done does not really matter.. whats done here is done, joey has made his bed, my concern is not so much losing Joey but being another squad member down.

 

If he cared he would not still be tweeting, maybe he should be trying to put things right, is he doing that? no he is not and in my opinion that is because he has got exactly what he wanted.

To let him anywhere near the squad now would be utterly pointless, he is bound to try and cause as much unrest as he can,. I am more interested is backing the players we have thats all that matters now.

 

 

What benefit has to had to any of the players keeping quiet about how bad things have been since Ashley took over ? There comes a point when people think they have to do something to force some sort of change. Not just for the good of themselves but also for the good of the team.

 

What good has came from it ?

 

Will Ashley now sell up? will fans booing Ashley (again) and singing for Barton have a positive effect on the squad?

He changed nothing apart from his personal circumstances, he told fans nothing they don't already know.

I am not saying the club have mad the right decision, I do not support Ashley in any way but I DO support NUFC and the players that will be here this season, as it stands now Joey Barton will not be one of those players.. thats all that matters to me.

 

 

We're one day into it anything could happen as yet, if he feels that helps him fair enough. If he's not telling fans stuff they already know how come so many are still saying oh it's all Bartons faults not Ashleys. Or people saying we should all just sit quiet and take what Ashley is giving us cause there is nothing else we can do. Well guess what that's shit and highly small minded.

 

 

Small minded

 

Do you honestly believe Joey did this for us? he had a childish tantrum over a pre season friendly then ranted on twitter, it was not a planned "right its time to help the fans"

it was a angry little man letting his temper get the better of him.

NOTHING will change as far as Ashley go's, we can protest all we like, he will do as usual and ignore us. Unless there is a buyer out there willing to pay Ashley around £350m then he won't sell no matter what we or any player do.

 

I won't back Joey over this because all he has done is hurt us, its not made the squad  stronger, its divided fans and again brought is shit loads of negative media again making us a laughing stock.

 

It does not have to be agree with Barton or agree with Ashley.. I am entitled to think both are cunts.

[ToonTastic]

It shouldn't be too difficult to find a right midfielder/winger to replace Barton IMO. Getting rid saves £3-4m a year in wages, I think for that plus a couple of mill (Routledge) you'd find a more effective player on the wing.

 

If we got Barnetta as a direct replacement for Barton, would it be such a bad move?

 

Still think we could have got some money for him, or a swap.

 

I can also see his new team playing him centrally and again not doing so well, sure clubs won't be bringing him in as a makeshift right mid.

 

Saving 3 - 4 million is great, until you have to pay the replacement.

 

Maybe the replacement won't continuously bite the hand that feeds them.

 

Until they play well and it's the last year of their contract ?

[kingkerouac]

I presume when some posters on here are talking about the press.

They are talking about the lowlife publications (Mirror, Star, Sun, Express, Mail).

It doesn't matter what the truth is, these publications aren't in the truth business.

[Gallowgate Toon]

He's lost his dressing room power, along with his mates and he doesn't like the culture shift. He's just not the main man anymore and I don't think he can accept that. If the reports of his treatment to Cabaye are true, it is absolutely scandalous. The guy doesn't even speak decent English, yet he has some Scouse ripping into him after a good performance? It makes him sound like a bully.

[Mick]

 

 

Maybe the replacement won't continuously bite the hand that feeds them.

 

Like I've laready said, it isn't only Barton doing it.

[Guest bimpy474]

Why the feck does everyone keep going on about its wrong to let him go on a free ?

 

He was leaving on a free anyway at the end of season, no contract being offered and no one wanted to buy him anyway, the teams are only interested in him as he for nothing, with everything thats happened it has got to be the right thing to part ways surely, for the sake of a couple million.

 

What you have to realise is people cannot look past their hatred for Ashley and Llambias in any single circumstance.

 

No matter what any individual does they will claim it is right as long as it is in opposition to Ashley.

 

Joey Barton and Willie McKay are clearly using this to their advantage in this situation.

 

I don't know when it became acceptable to rubbish your club and behave so badly because you don't think the owner is spending enough money, or giving contracts to your mates.

 

The owners have stated that this is how the club is going to be run. Support the team, and look forward to better days, whether that be a change in ownersip as some want, or a change in policy.

 

Interesting to note the window has a month to run still, but people have convinced themselves that no more players are coming in, and are being fueled by this rage.

 

What have Everton done this window? What of Villa? Did they not just get £36 million from the Downing and Young sales? Other than Zoggy, what?

 

Senseless behaviour.

 

This.

[Dr Venkman]

 

How can you confirm reports? You can choose to believe whatever you want given what's out there.

 

So it hasn't been coinfirmed, thanks.

 

No it hasn't been "coin"firmed if you are talking legal jargon. I'm not sure what coinfirmed even means unless you are writing with a New Jersey accent.

 

hang your head in shame

[hallihg]

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Ashley, i despise you.

[Ryan_Taylor]

[dcmk]

Probably been said, but it seems once again that Ashley not only has the local media in his pocket, but also some of the national media. The local media probably want to keep him sweet, so will watch what they say and I'd imagine that he has mate's in the national press who will look after him too. Didn't one of them used to write for the NotW? Either way, it's a sorry state of affairs when recent history is being revised to get Barton out of the door and also to get NUFC fans to turn against him. What a scummy club we currently support. Makes me ashamed to be a black and white at the moment. Even more so than when those knackers ran on the pitch at Darlington the other week - this is far worse.

 

And again, which quality players are going to come and play for an owner who will stab you in the back at the first available sign of dissent/opportunity?

 

Ben Arfa, cabaye, Ba, Marveaux?

 

DUH!

 

 

Most of them unproven in the PL! Ba has onyl played 12 games, ffs. And if they joined on the promise of the club pushing on and showing ambition, what do you think will happen next year when hopefully we've managed to stay clear of relegation (which is looking likely)? They will be off quicker than s*** off a shovel.

 

Side point but every player in the entire league was 'unproven in the PL' as some point. Think people place too much on this.

 

There's always an excuse.

 

Their always injured and so they aren't good signings!

 

They're unporven in the league!

 

They're Frencch bottlers!

 

They don't have enough passion!

 

Boring.

 

Tend to agree with this, the lack of any optimism about our new signings is pretty depressing. Cabaye and Ben Arfa in particular I'm very happy about, and Ba is (shock horror) proven to be able to get goals at this level.

 

Well it depends if you believe the squad minus Barton and Enrique is stronger now than what it was on the 1st January?  Before that sale and the promises coming from the very top about significant reinvestment.

[Dokko]

 

 

Maybe the replacement won't continuously bite the hand that feeds them.

 

Like I've laready said, it isn't only Barton doing it.

 

If you saw someone jump off the Tyne bridge would you join them?

[KaKa]

Probably been said, but it seems once again that Ashley not only has the local media in his pocket, but also some of the national media. The local media probably want to keep him sweet, so will watch what they say and I'd imagine that he has mate's in the national press who will look after him too. Didn't one of them used to write for the NotW? Either way, it's a sorry state of affairs when recent history is being revised to get Barton out of the door and also to get NUFC fans to turn against him. What a scummy club we currently support. Makes me ashamed to be a black and white at the moment. Even more so than when those knackers ran on the pitch at Darlington the other week - this is far worse.

 

And again, which quality players are going to come and play for an owner who will stab you in the back at the first available sign of dissent/opportunity?

 

Ben Arfa, cabaye, Ba, Marveaux?

 

DUH!

 

 

Most of them unproven in the PL! Ba has onyl played 12 games, ffs. And if they joined on the promise of the club pushing on and showing ambition, what do you think will happen next year when hopefully we've managed to stay clear of relegation (which is looking likely)? They will be off quicker than s*** off a shovel.

 

Side point but every player in the entire league was 'unproven in the PL' as some point. Think people place too much on this.

 

There's always an excuse.

 

Their always injured and so they aren't good signings!

 

They're unporven in the league!

 

They're Frencch bottlers!

 

They don't have enough passion!

 

Boring.

 

There's plenty examples of players moving about within the league and not being successful at their new clubs, which is what I think people overlook. As a high profile example look at Torres.

 

Exactly.

 

Here's another thing that gets me. Players being written off, because they haven't set the world alight from the outset.

 

See our very own Coloccini and Enrique. It's all related.

 

Jump on any Liverpool forum and they're all clamouring for Aquilani to stay now, as he's been exceptional in pre-season. It was unreal to me how quickly he was written off by their fans and the media when he first arrived.

 

No surprise to hear that idiot McKay playing the "Barton has the grit and guts those predominantly foreign teams don't have" card. People buy into this stuff.