Paully Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 http://www.joeybarton.com/betting-statement/ The FA have announced I am banned from all football for 18 months and fined £30,000 and costs for offences against The FA’s Betting Rules. I am very disappointed at the harshness of the sanction. The decision effectively forces me into an early retirement from playing football. To be clear from the outset here this is not match fixing and at no point in any of this is my integrity in question. I accept that I broke the rules governing professional footballers, but I do feel the penalty is heavier than it might be for other less controversial players. I have fought addiction to gambling and provided the FA with a medical report about my problem. I’m disappointed it wasn’t taken into proper consideration. I think if the FA is truly serious about tackling the culture of gambling in football, it needs to look at its own dependence on the gambling companies, their role in football and in sports broadcasting, rather than just blaming the players who place a bet. I am not alone in football in having a problem with gambling. I grew up in an environment where betting was and still is part of the culture. From as early as I can remember my family let me have my own pools coupon, and older members of the family would place bets for me on big races like the Grand National. To this day, I rarely compete at anything without there being something at stake. Whether that’s a round of golf with friends for a few pounds, or a game of darts in the training ground for who makes the tea, I love competing. I love winning. I am also addicted to that. It is also the case that professional football has long had a betting culture, and I have been in the sport all my adult life. Given the money in the game, and the explosion in betting on sport, I understand why the rules have been strengthened, and I also accept that I have been in breach of them. I accept too that the FA has to be seen to lead on this issue. But surely they need to accept there is a huge clash between their rules and the culture that surrounds the modern game, where anyone who watches follows football on TV or in the stadia is bombarded by marketing, advertising and sponsorship by betting companies, and where much of the coverage now, on Sky for example, is intertwined with the broadcasters’ own gambling interests. That all means this is not an easy environment in which to try to stop gambling, or even to encourage people within the sport that betting is wrong. It is like asking a recovering alcoholic to spend all his time in a pub or a brewery. If the FA is serious about tackling gambling I would urge it to reconsider its own dependence on the gambling industry. I say that knowing that every time I pull on my team’s shirt, I am advertising a betting company. I say none of this to justify myself. But I do want to explain that sometimes these issues are more complicated than they seem. As for the scale of my football betting, since 2004, on a Betfair account held in my own name, registered at my home address and verified by my own passport, with full transparency, I have placed over 15,000 bets across a whole range of sports. Just over 1,200 were placed on football and subject to the charges against me. The average bet was just over £150, many were for only a few pounds. For the modern footballer, downtime and rest are important and I spend much of my time away from training in front of a TV screen, channel hopping across a range of sports, and betting on the outcome of games. I like watching sports and predicting the outcome. Set alongside what we are privileged to earn as footballers, my betting stakes are relatively small. Betting for me, is less about how much money I win or lose, and more about whether I can correctly predict the outcome of the game I’m watching. I hate losing more than I like winning, and this mindset has helped prevent me from placing big bets, for fear of losing big. Raised at the hearing was that between 2004 and 2011 I placed a handful of bets on my own team to lose matches. I accept of course that this is against the rules, for the obvious reason that a player with an additional financial stake in the game might seek to change the course of it for his own personal gain. However I’d like to offer some context. First, in every game I have played, I have given everything. I’m confident that anyone who has ever seen me play, or played with or against me, will confirm that to be the case. I am more aware than anyone that I have character issues that I struggle with, and my addictive personality is one of them, but I am a devoted and dedicated professional who has always given my all on the pitch. Second, on the few occasions where I placed a bet on my own team to lose, I was not involved in the match day squad for any of those games. I did not play. I was not even on the bench. I had no more ability to influence the outcome than had I been betting on darts, snooker, or a cricket match in the West Indies. I should add that on some of those occasions, my placing of the bet on my own team to lose was an expression of my anger and frustration at not being picked or being unable to play. I understand people will think that is childish and selfish and I cannot disagree with that. Third, I should point out that the last of these bets against my own team was six years ago (and in a reserve game), when I was going through a particularly troubled period, and when the FA were not nearly as hard on gambling as they are now. One thing I can state with absolute certainty – I have never placed a bet against my own team when in a position to influence the game, and I am pleased that in all of the interviews with the FA, and at the hearing, my integrity on that point has never been in question. I could not live with myself, nor face my team-mates or the fans of the clubs I played for, if they seriously thought I would bet on my team to lose a game whose outcome I could influence. The Commission that heard my case made clear in their reasons on a number of occasions that “there was no suggestion I was involved in match fixing” and I am publishing a list of my bets because I want the full facts of my case to be known. A ban of 18 months is longer than several bans handed to players who played in matches where they bet for their team to lose and – unlike me – were found to have had an ability to influence the games. The only players to be banned for 12 months or longer bet against their own teams and played in the matches in which they placed those bets. Players who did not play in the matches they placed the bets in have never been banned for longer than 6 months. I feel the ban is excessive in this context. Throughout my career I am someone who has made mistakes and owned up to those mistakes and tried to learn from them. I intend to do that here. I accept that this is one more mess I got into because of my own behaviour. This episode has brought home to me that just as I had to face up to the need to get help to deal with alcohol abuse, and with anger, so now I need to get help for my issues with gambling, and I will do so. I want to thank the Burnley FC board, management, players and staff for their faith and understanding, and their belief that I would play for them, and play well, even with this hanging over me, and I want to thank the Burnley fans for the support they have given me throughout. They have been brilliant. Having consulted with my friends and lawyers, I have decided I will be appealing against the length of the ban. I hope that I shall be afforded a fair hearing by an independent Appeal Panel. If I am, we are confident that the sanction will be reduced to a fair one that both reflects the offences as well as the mitigating factors and the fact that there was nothing untoward or suspicious about the bets I made. I’m keen to be open about it, here are the thirty most pertinent bets as determined by the FA: height=300http://joeybarton.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/My-bets-backing-the-opposition.jpg[/img] height=350http://joeybarton.wpengine.netdna-cdn.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/04/My-bets-backing-my-team.jpg[/img] tl,dr, Joey. Couldn't care less about him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 26, 2017 Share Posted April 26, 2017 Loved the club so much as his likers would have it. Aye, so much he frequently wanted us to lose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stottie Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Gambling addiction does exist, but it means you bet against your own team? Pull the other one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anon Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Tickles me seeing a millionaire chucking £2 on a correct score bet Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I can't say I agree with them effectively ending the man's career when he has an obvious addiction problem. Maybe a 6 month ban with him getting some sort of counselling would have been a more constructive approach rather than just throwing the book at him and potentially making his problem worse. That would give him a chance to overcome his problems and see out his playing career with some game time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 The FA probably read his Twitter account before making their decision, in which case 18 months is lenient. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 People feeling sorry for this cunt He is a lifting human being, but has the occasional bantz on twitter and gets sympathy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Even if he has an addiction, which as a liberal I would treat rather than punish, the FA can't be too careful. What if his addiction gets him into debt, which then makes him vulnerable to people who want to fix matches? Or any of the other many conflicts of interest possible. They have to be strong on this for the integrity of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Since when have the FA been concerned with the integrity of the game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
John P Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 One very obvious thing to come out of this is that Joey Barton is godawful when it comes to betting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. EDIT: Unless he was worse before, and now just gets by on smaller bets, in which case he cannot really use it as an excuse. He coupd have bet on things outside of his control. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. Aye, if less then 3 bets a week is an addiction then god help the likes of Paully etc on here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. Aye, if less then 3 bets a week is an addiction then god help the likes of Paully etc on here. That was only the football bets tbf. I still don't really buy that he's an addict mind, seems to be a bit of an easy excuse IMO. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. Aye, if less then 3 bets a week is an addiction then god help the likes of Paully etc on here. That was only the football bets tbf. I still don't really buy that he's an addict mind, seems to be a bit of an easy excuse IMO. Yup, after getting a red for punching a player he said he had anger/rage problems not long after Edit: my mistake, he was retrospectively banned after punching him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I mean, cunt or not a cunt, the rules on this particular thing needs looked at. Rehabilitation > Punishment 99 out of 100 times. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. Aye, if less then 3 bets a week is an addiction then god help the likes of Paully etc on here. That was only the football bets tbf. I still don't really buy that he's an addict mind, seems to be a bit of an easy excuse IMO. On the other hand if he's an alchie, which he apparently is, it's not unusual for him to switch to other addictive behaviours now he's sober. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
xLiaaamx Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 I mean, c*** or not a c***, the rules on this particular thing needs looked at. Rehabilitation > Punishment 99 out of 100 times. I get the feeling football might be sick of Joey Barton, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/39738553 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 No time for Barton but the hypocrisy in football is infuriating. The FA are bigger rogues... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tgarve Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. Aye, if less then 3 bets a week is an addiction then god help the likes of Paully etc on here. That was only the football bets tbf. I still don't really buy that he's an addict mind, seems to be a bit of an easy excuse IMO. On the other hand if he's an alchie, which he apparently is, it's not unusual for him to switch to other addictive behaviours now he's sober. Is he an Alchie or was it his only out in his constant need for attention. Excuse for his awful behieviour. I drink a shit load and can be a massive tool whilst drunk but I definitely wouldn't stab someone in the eye with a cigarette Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted April 27, 2017 Share Posted April 27, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. Aye, if less then 3 bets a week is an addiction then god help the likes of Paully etc on here. That was only the football bets tbf. I still don't really buy that he's an addict mind, seems to be a bit of an easy excuse IMO. On the other hand if he's an alchie, which he apparently is, it's not unusual for him to switch to other addictive behaviours now he's sober. Is he an Alchie or was it his only out in his constant need for attention. Excuse for his awful behieviour. I drink a shit load and can be a massive tool whilst drunk but I definitely wouldn't stab someone in the eye with a cigarette Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. Aye, if less then 3 bets a week is an addiction then god help the likes of Paully etc on here. That was only the football bets tbf. I still don't really buy that he's an addict mind, seems to be a bit of an easy excuse IMO. On the other hand if he's an alchie, which he apparently is, it's not unusual for him to switch to other addictive behaviours now he's sober. So he's an alcoholic, gambling addict with rage issues according to himself? Sorry like, but at some point you need to start taking responsibility for your actions instead of blaming it on addiction every single time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted April 28, 2017 Share Posted April 28, 2017 Has he even got a gambling adiction? Given his wage he seems a fairly moderate gambler. Aye, if less then 3 bets a week is an addiction then god help the likes of Paully etc on here. That was only the football bets tbf. I still don't really buy that he's an addict mind, seems to be a bit of an easy excuse IMO. On the other hand if he's an alchie, which he apparently is, it's not unusual for him to switch to other addictive behaviours now he's sober. So he's an alcoholic, gambling addict with rage issues according to himself? Sorry like, but at some point you need to start taking responsibility for your actions instead of blaming it on addiction every single time. Yeah I'm not defending him like, just pointing out that when someone kicks alcohol or drugs they often behave obsessively about something else to fill the void, whether it be work, shopping, gambling etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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