AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 He's our best CM by a mile, but obviously the competition is fucking terrible. Like Nolan he's lacking physically, and always seems out of his depth in tackles etc. Also seems to take too long to make decisions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Whilst it's never going to happen with Hughton in charge it would be interesting to see what we could do to a weak team at home with a front six of: Routledge Barton Guthrie Jonas Ranger Lovenkrands This whole idea that you MUST play a holding or defensive midfielder in every game is a complete fallacy perpetuated by defensive minded coaches/ managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
johnnypd Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Whilst it's never going to happen with Hughton in charge it would be interesting to see what we could do to a weak team at home with a front six of: Routledge Barton Guthrie Jonas Ranger Lovenkrands This whole idea that you MUST play a holding or defensive midfielder in every game is a complete fallacy perpetuated by defensive minded coaches/ managers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Whilst it's never going to happen with Hughton in charge it would be interesting to see what we could do to a weak team at home with a front six of: Routledge Barton Guthrie Jonas Ranger Lovenkrands This whole idea that you MUST play a holding or defensive midfielder in every game is a complete fallacy perpetuated by defensive minded coaches/ managers. We'd murder most, if not every team in this league if we lined up like that. I'm not saying that we would win every game, I'm saying that we could win against anybody in this league. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Whilst it's never going to happen with Hughton in charge it would be interesting to see what we could do to a weak team at home with a front six of: Routledge Barton Guthrie Jonas Ranger Lovenkrands This whole idea that you MUST play a holding or defensive midfielder in every game is a complete fallacy perpetuated by defensive minded coaches/ managers. Absolutely spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 not the same player who shone at old trafford under keegan. looks like a mentally weak person who needs strong leadership and guidance to shine. still, i'd like to see him put in the middle for a run of games to see how he does. atm i'd even pair him with Butt than see another Smith-Nolan comedy duo. He does seem to have games where he looks lethargic and defeatist and you can't put it all down to being played out of position. There were loads of times today when he had the ball in the middle but got harried into losing possession by a hungrier opponent. He could be our best central midfielder except he seems to be a bit of a loser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 He basically needs a manager who'll light a fire under him and tell him "get out there and impose yourself on the game, stop half-arsing it", as johnny said. One that'll play him in central midfield as well, obviously. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 He seems to have lost that neatness to his game that I originally really admired about him, but his delivery is still generally top notch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Slugsy Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 He never looks fit to me Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
binnsy Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Thought he was crap today, yes you can give him the excuse that he was out of position on the left but then again he ignored the fact he was meant to be playing left midfield and just played infield, messing up our shape. Even when Smith &Nolan went off and he played in the middle of a 4 man midfield he seemed slow and ponderous, got caught on the ball time and time again. If he wants a place in the centre of the midfield and displace Smith & Nolan then he needs to buck his ideas up, get fitter and start imposing himself more. In saying all that i'd still say he's had decent season but needs to improve still if he wants to get a game following the new signings. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cheshire Mag Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 He was a waste of fucking space today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Looks unhappy to me. If he played in his right position and under a decent manager, he'd be at his best. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Looks unhappy to me. If he played in his right position and under a decent manager, he'd be at his best. I'm fed up of people making excuses for him to be honest. If he loses 50-50 challenges and gives up the ball in any part of the pitch on a regular basis it's his fault. These are just basics of being a decent footballer. Maybe we are starting to see why Liverpool didn't want him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 He's still the best midfielder we have IMO. And howay man We're hardly in Liverpool's league of players atm. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 He's still the best midfielder we have IMO. And howay man We're hardly in Liverpool's league of players atm. goes to show how shite our midfielders are then.....the lad is an abomination of a footballer totally and utterly shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 He's still the best midfielder we have IMO. And howay man We're hardly in Liverpool's league of players atm. goes to show how s**** our midfielders are then.....the lad is an abomination of a footballer totally and utterly s**** That's a tad kneejerk like. Until a few games ago, he was doing extremely well for someone being played out of position. He's just had a few woeful games since. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 It doesn't matter if you're the best or worst midfielder at the club, if you lose 50/50 challenges and keep conceding possession you are hardly advertising your credentials to play central midfield where the action is usually the hardest contested. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 It doesn't matter if you're the best or worst midfielder at the club, if you lose 50/50 challenges and keep conceding possession you are hardly advertising your credentials to play central midfield where the action is usually the hardest contested. Aye because Nolan and Smith are outdoing him in that department like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 It doesn't matter if you're the best or worst midfielder at the club, if you lose 50/50 challenges and keep conceding possession you are hardly advertising your credentials to play central midfield where the action is usually the hardest contested. Aye because Nolan and Smith are outdoing him in that department like What's that got to do with him losing 50/50's or keeping possession? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 It doesn't matter if you're the best or worst midfielder at the club, if you lose 50/50 challenges and keep conceding possession you are hardly advertising your credentials to play central midfield where the action is usually the hardest contested. Aye because Nolan and Smith are outdoing him in that department like What's that got to do with him losing 50/50's or keeping possession? Nothing, but you're suggesting that he shouldn't play in CM because of that, when he still keeps possession and wins 50/50s more than the other CMs played ahead of him. He should be an automatic starter there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Get rid of the lot in the summer. smith, butt, nolan, guthrie, barton, none of them will be a loss if we can replace them. ideal world though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 It doesn't matter if you're the best or worst midfielder at the club, if you lose 50/50 challenges and keep conceding possession you are hardly advertising your credentials to play central midfield where the action is usually the hardest contested. Aye because Nolan and Smith are outdoing him in that department like What's that got to do with him losing 50/50's or keeping possession? Nothing, but you're suggesting that he shouldn't play in CM because of that, when he still keeps possession and wins 50/50s more than the other CMs played ahead of him. He should be an automatic starter there. No, I'm not suggesting he shouldn't play in central midfield, I'm just saying that his crap performance today shouldn't be excused because he wasn't playing there. Fucking hell, if Pancrate can put in a shift at right back is it too much to ask Guthrie to bust a gut in midfield? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 It doesn't matter if you're the best or worst midfielder at the club, if you lose 50/50 challenges and keep conceding possession you are hardly advertising your credentials to play central midfield where the action is usually the hardest contested. Aye because Nolan and Smith are outdoing him in that department like What's that got to do with him losing 50/50's or keeping possession? Nothing, but you're suggesting that he shouldn't play in CM because of that, when he still keeps possession and wins 50/50s more than the other CMs played ahead of him. He should be an automatic starter there. No, I'm not suggesting he shouldn't play in central midfield, I'm just saying that his crap performance today shouldn't be excused because he wasn't playing there. f***ing hell, if Pancrate can put in a shift at right back is it too much to ask Guthrie to bust a gut in midfield? If you care to think back to before the last couple of games, you'd see that he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Get rid of the lot in the summer. smith, butt, nolan, guthrie, barton, none of them will be a loss if we can replace them. ideal world though. Dyer on a free, Ambrose on the cheap, CNZ for £8 million, Viana on the cheap & Solano will be out of contract in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted January 30, 2010 Share Posted January 30, 2010 Looks unhappy to me. If he played in his right position and under a decent manager, he'd be at his best. I'm fed up of people making excuses for him to be honest. If he loses 50-50 challenges and gives up the ball in any part of the pitch on a regular basis it's his fault. These are just basics of being a decent footballer. Maybe we are starting to see why Liverpool didn't want him. I found that funny. I take your point elsewhere, but that one is probably something to do with Gerrard, Alonso and co being undoubtedly better players than him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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