Pre-season specialist Haris Vučkić joins FC Twente

[Teasy]

Given and Milner both wanted to leave, badly. If players want to go and the price is right, fuck off.

 

Milner's attitude over getting a new contract was a disgrace, most clubs would of sold him over the way he conducted himself.

 

You can't ask for a new contract just one year after you signed a new 4 year one.

 

Especially when you haven't even played well since signing the original deal.

 

What a load of bollocks. We were receiving large bids for him and he'd obviously get a pay rise if he moved, so he would be stupid not to ask for a pay rise for staying. It's not like he refused to play or anything either, he was MotM in his last game for us after which Keegan said

 

He signed a 4 year contract the year before and played no more then average for that year.  Obviously he saw an opportunity to up his wage when Villa came in.  But just because he can get away with it doesn't mean I have to agree with it or like it.  Do you really think a player should get a pay rise whenever another club comes in for them?, no matter how they've played or when they've signed there last contract?

[Guest Schmocky]

Has anyone actually seen him play?

 

Ronaldo's flatmate has.

pretty sure ronaldo saw his debut in slovenia.

 

He was there the first time he kicked a ball man.

[QBG]

Vuckic has already publicly declared his willingness to simply concentrate on playing for the Magpies, but while United are desperate to play down the hype, he will be propelled into the shop window during the World Cup if, as mooted in his homeland, he is taken to the South Africa finals with Slovenia, who are in England’s group this summer, in a Theo Walcott-style move by boss Matjaž Kek.

 

I sincerely hope that doesn't happen!

[nobby_solano]

we should be getting him to sign a contract til 2015 just incase that does happen, at least we'd stand a chance getting top dollar for him

[Cronky]

I suspect it's the salary that's going to be the problem with getting him to sign a new contract. He might well feel he's better off sticking with us for the next few seasons and playing in the first team, rather than moving to Man U or Chelsea and getting stuck in the reserves or on the bench. But if they offer to double his money - that's hard to resist.

[Chris_R]

Surely we can afford to offer decent money to an 18 year old. It's not as if he'll be asking for £100k/year which is out of our league, he'll be wanting something a little more affordable than that and if we value him highly enough, then there's no reason a deal can't be reached that's suitable to both parties.

 

Never seen anything of him though, could be utter dog shite for all I know...

[Newcastle Fan]

Just how overated is this guy?

[Mattoon]

I'm sure we'll all get to see how well he plays against QPR and then in the World Cup, so either he'll get found out or we'll see what he's really capable of and we'll either have a complete diamond of a player or a HUGE transfer fee. Even if he's only half the player Rooney was at his age, that's still gotta be worth at least £10m.

 

Still I think the most prudent thing for him to do in this situation is to ride it out with us where he's more likely to get pitch time and progress in his ability. You can guarantee at the likes of Man Yoo or Chelski he'll be lucky to even get a seat on the bench and would probably spend a fair few seasons at the best reserve team level.

[Ronaldo]

Just how overated is this guy?

 

Underrated tbh.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Just how overated is this guy?

 

Depends on what you've heard. I'd say he's like the old fashioned European #10/withdrawn striker. Has good passing and vision for a youngster, can score some sweet goals too. Just don't ask him to tackle/defend. As others have said we'll not see the best of him at Newcastle, and he'll probably end up going to Italy or Spain and becoming a class act.

[Newcastle Fan]

Just how overated is this guy?

 

Depends on what you've heard. I'd say he's like the old fashioned European #10/withdrawn striker. Has good passing and vision for a youngster, can score some sweet goals too. Just don't ask him to tackle/defend. As others have said we'll not see the best of him at Newcastle, and he'll probably end up going to Italy or Spain and becoming a class act.

 

i'm sure the guy's got talent, but just reading the news above "Going to be a key player for Newcastle next season" "Chased by Milan, Chelsea and United"  "Going to the World Cup" makes you think he's out top goalscorer or something.. defintley want him to succeed but i don't understand why he's so highley rated even though he barley played any first team football, looked a bit nervious when he got those few minutes with the big boys at the start of the season so i'm trying not to get my hopes up.

[Guest The Enforcer]

I agree with Kenobi, I'd liken him to an Elano type of player. Which is suprising, given his build.

 

As for whether he is being overrated, he clearly has talent, but who knows at this age how far he can take it. I think it's a certainty he will be a good player and that's something we should look forward to, not just expect him to be a world beater.

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

Just how overated is this guy?

 

Depends on what you've heard. I'd say he's like the old fashioned European #10/withdrawn striker. Has good passing and vision for a youngster, can score some sweet goals too. Just don't ask him to tackle/defend. As others have said we'll not see the best of him at Newcastle, and he'll probably end up going to Italy or Spain and becoming a class act.

 

i'm sure the guy's got talent, but just reading the news above "Going to be a key player for Newcastle next season" "Chased by Milan, Chelsea and United"  "Going to the World Cup" makes you think he's out top goalscorer or something.. defintley want him to succeed but i don't understand why he's so highley rated even though he barley played any first team football, looked a bit nervious when he got those few minutes with the big boys at the start of the season so i'm trying not to get my hopes up.

 

Well he trials with AC before we signed him, and Man U were interested at the same time too. So its not as if its current reputation thats caught their eye, they were aware of him last year (and possibly before). As for going to the World Cup its Slovenia - can you name two Slovenia International players without looking on Wikipedia? He's highly thought of in his home country, so its not too surprising they're thinking about taking him to the WC. He did well in the U19 Championships in the Summer.

[Guest geordienorway]

Just how overated is this guy?

 

Underrated tbh.

 

Are you basing this on binnsy's reports or have you seen him a lot?

[Disco]

Vuckic has already publicly declared his willingness to simply concentrate on playing for the Magpies, but while United are desperate to play down the hype, he will be propelled into the shop window during the World Cup if, as mooted in his homeland, he is taken to the South Africa finals with Slovenia, who are in Englands group this summer, in a Theo Walcott-style move by boss Matja Kek.

 

I sincerely hope that doesn't happen!

 

Why? Surely only going to be beneficial for the player?

[Ronaldo]

One game against Liverpool reseves was all I needed, he's the white Pele.

[UV]

Given and Milner both wanted to leave, badly. If players want to go and the price is right, fuck off.

 

Milner's attitude over getting a new contract was a disgrace, most clubs would of sold him over the way he conducted himself.

 

You can't ask for a new contract just one year after you signed a new 4 year one.

 

Especially when you haven't even played well since signing the original deal.

 

What a load of bollocks. We were receiving large bids for him and he'd obviously get a pay rise if he moved, so he would be stupid not to ask for a pay rise for staying. It's not like he refused to play or anything either, he was MotM in his last game for us after which Keegan said

 

He signed a 4 year contract the year before and played no more then average for that year.  Obviously he saw an opportunity to up his wage when Villa came in.  But just because he can get away with it doesn't mean I have to agree with it or like it.  Do you really think a player should get a pay rise whenever another club comes in for them?, no matter how they've played or when they've signed there last contract?

 

It's about keeping the player happy (within reason of course). No point having a disgruntled player who knows he could be earning lots more elsewhere, especially when there's no footballing reason to stay either (ie chance of winning something), even with players like Milner who is one of the few more professional youngsters around. If you want to sell off any players who develop and know they can get better wages elsewhere so ask for a payrise or a move then you'll never progress as a club, it will just be back to square one every season. Even if you use the transfer fee to buy someone else instead, chances are you'll have to pay them more than the player you sold was on anyway.

 

It's very usual with young players to renegotiate their contracts every year or two. The club wants to protect it's interest by getting the player on a long contract, but you can't go giving the player wages commensurate with what their potential ability might be at the end of the contract, so if they develop they are obviously going to want an improvement in their contract before it is up. In Milner's case, it was a year old contract but on terms he'd agreed 2 years previously, I beleive he has said he signed it on the proviso that his contract would be reviewed during the year but that no-one at the club would even talk to him about it.

 

As for whether he had developed or not, I think I'll stick with O'Neill, Benitez, Moyes, Keegan and my own opinion over yours and Ronaldo's 

[80]

It's very usual with young players to renegotiate their contracts every year or two. The club wants to protect it's interest by getting the player on a long contract, but you can't go giving the player wages commensurate with what their potential ability might be at the end of the contract, so if they develop they are obviously going to want an improvement in their contract before it is up. In Milner's case, it was a year old contract but on terms he'd agreed 2 years previously, I beleive he has said he signed it on the proviso that his contract would be reviewed during the year but that no-one at the club would even talk to him about it.

 

And just to re-assert, it shouldn't be forgotten how shoddily he was treated over the original Villa move which prompted that new contract being signed. By all accounts, it was a very cheap contract by any normal footballing standards, too.

[manorpark]

It was strange reading the Chron today saying Pop Robson (Chelsea scout) was there to watch Harris. He is at nearly every reserve & U18 game with about another half dozen scouts.

 

Crikey, Pop Robson!!!

 

Great player, scored a lot of goals, and some really GREAT goals for us.

 

Him and Wyn helped us win (no pun intended!) the Fairs Cup.

 

Was disappointed when he had a bust up with the club (over their lack of ambition) and was transferred to West Ham.

[QBG]

Vuckic has already publicly declared his willingness to simply concentrate on playing for the Magpies, but while United are desperate to play down the hype, he will be propelled into the shop window during the World Cup if, as mooted in his homeland, he is taken to the South Africa finals with Slovenia, who are in England’s group this summer, in a Theo Walcott-style move by boss Matjaž Kek.

 

I sincerely hope that doesn't happen!

 

Why? Surely only going to be beneficial for the player?

 

I'm sure it would be, but if he has any sort of impact and we'll have everyone sniffing around.

[madras]

It was strange reading the Chron today saying Pop Robson (Chelsea scout) was there to watch Harris. He is at nearly every reserve & U18 game with about another half dozen scouts.

 

Crikey, Pop Robson!!!

 

Great player, scored a lot of goals, and some really GREAT goals for us.

 

Him and Wyn helped us win (no pun intended!) the Fairs Cup.

 

Was disappointed when he had a bust up with the club (over their lack of ambition) and was transferred to West Ham.

west ham, never the most ambitious of clubs and then sunderland who at the time showed even less ambition than us.

[madras]

a lot of people are saying he's a  european style no.10. just how lazy is he when the opposition have the ball and has he got enough to compensate for it ?

[Guest ObiChrisKenobi]

If you play your football on the deck, chances are most of your goals will have started from him.

[Beezeri]

Surely we can afford to offer decent money to an 18 year old. It's not as if he'll be asking for £100k/year which is out of our league, he'll be wanting something a little more affordable than that and if we value him highly enough, then there's no reason a deal can't be reached that's suitable to both parties.

 

Never seen anything of him though, could be utter dog s**** for all I know...

 

Didn't know it's that bad....sack Ashley!!!!

 

Anyone aware if Hughton is going to give LuaLua a go as he's been recalled from the loan for the remaining 2 games?

[Fenham Mag]

He's in the squad