Newcastle United Supporters Trust (NUST)

[Heron]

6 hours ago, Lazarus said:

 

 

 

 

Oi. Oi.

[Guest HTT II]

NUST should have just donated the money to the Royal Family to help with the Queen’s funeral costs… 

[Guest HTT II]

Donating to 3 charities somewhat linked with NUFC itself is no coincidence… guaranteed seats at SJP and complimentary drinks and other stuff for life for some!

[Heron]

Perhaps these people just put the best cases forward for how they'd utilise the money?

 

Get the points being made like. 

[Guest HTT II]

4 minutes ago, Heron said:

Perhaps these people just put the best cases forward for how they'd utilise the money?

 

Get the points being made like. 

Dave from Benwell - we could dee with the money like, I can barely feed myself never mind help try and feed the community.

 

Alan Shearer - see his video!

 

Not being arsey deliberately btw, I’m just not happy that the most obvious charity out of them all seems to be getting the less money. We have the NHS to help people with cancer, we have other organisations to help people in sport and with autism (no offence to anyone with autism or who have family with autism), all professional organisations funded by the tax payer or by private institutions. Foodbanks, funded by, err the good and kind will of people who are mainly on the bones of their arses themselves. 

[Jaqen]

1 hour ago, Sima said:

Why has it taken so long to decide on the four charities that most would probably give the money to if given only a few minutes to choose?  

 

We were led to believe it was a significant vetting process.

 

Think they claimed they were doing the charities a favour as they would be harming them by suddenly giving them a big portion of money 

 

Probably the same logic why they've given the bigger charities the majority of the money. 

[bowlingcrofty]

They should withdraw the foodbank money as cash from the bank and hand it over on a match day to them so Reuben matches it  

[Guest HTT II]

A Tory has given more to the food bank than NUST 

[nufcjmc]

I respect your views as your entitled to them HTT and a food bank is a great and worthy cause. The Alan Shearer centre need 75k+ every year just to keep the lights on and operate more so with energy costs now. I am not an accountant or have access to their books but not sure if they do indeed have millions in reserve but sustained and annual money is difficult to raise. Unlike say a charity that is for a one off cause or purpose. 

 

Another prospective I like is that some of these charities cater to the wider community not every fan is in the city centre and would go or need "that" food bank. A lasting legacy might seem on the surface as an ego stroking exercise but it is nice to know that the fans fund will go towards hopefully a lasting change/legacy not just this winter or current financial year. 

 

I can see how passionate you are about this and know your an advocate of giving to charity. I can tell we arent going to agree on this and I am not sure if the fund has been sliced up correctly or not but I have no issues about the money being spread about. 

[Guest HTT II]

3 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

I respect your views as your entitled to them HTT and a food bank is a great and worthy cause. The Alan Shearer centre need 75k+ every year just to keep the lights on and operate more so with energy costs now. I am not an accountant or have access to their books but not sure if they do indeed have millions in reserve but sustained and annual money is difficult to raise. Unlike say a charity that is for a one off cause or purpose. 

 

Another prospective I like is that some of these charities cater to the wider community not every fan is in the city centre and would go or need "that" food bank. A lasting legacy might seem on the surface as an ego stroking exercise but it is nice to know that the fans fund will go towards hopefully a lasting change/legacy not just this winter or current financial year. 

 

I can see how passionate you are about this and know your an advocate of giving to charity. I can tell we arent going to agree on this and I am not sure if the fund has been sliced up correctly or not but I have no issues about the money being spread about. 

A fair and balanced summary, I must admit I don’t know much about the inner workings of the Alan Shearer Foundation, other than it gets regular sizeable charitable donations and is of course a charity under the name of a very famous and wealthy person and so will never struggle for donations and recognition like say a Food Bank.
 

I’m probably more bothered that more money is going to the Sir Bobby Foundation and the NUFC Foundation who regularly get local support from private organisations, the council, businesses and such. Cancer is obviously a horrific disease or illness and the more money we throw it fighting it is only going to help, but we do have an NHS and so many other cancer charities.

 

With the cost of living crisis, high energy bills, unemployment rising and homelessness rising, many many people cannot afford to heat their homes or feed themselves or clothe themselves and that’s even people with jobs. 

 

Again I don’t think it’s a coincidence a Shearer, Sir Bobby and an NUFC charity get the most money and I’m surprised they are even considered in this as there are thousands of local charities who could do with such a windfall like they are going to get when in reality they get lots of donations anyway. 
 

The NUFC Foundation is the real piss taker, it’s effectively a business, it organises footy camps for kids which parents pay an arm and a leg to attend among other things, it’s backed and funded by the council, Newcastle United, wealthy patrons and schools and grassroots football which is all good, but if we are talking about the needy, they are te least deserving of such a windfall or rather the least needy…

 

We won’t agree, but I respect your view and others’ and I’m glad the over 1k I donated (I’m a mug I know) and the few k my friends and family donated will at least be going to some good use, hopefully, and that Alex will enjoy the freedom of SJP for years to come and guest invites to the Shearer, Sir Bobby and NUFC foundations. I just hope he never has to use a Food Bank in his lifetime…

[Guest HTT II]

21 minutes ago, nufcjmc said:

I respect your views as your entitled to them HTT and a food bank is a great and worthy cause. The Alan Shearer centre need 75k+ every year just to keep the lights on and operate more so with energy costs now. I am not an accountant or have access to their books but not sure if they do indeed have millions in reserve but sustained and annual money is difficult to raise. Unlike say a charity that is for a one off cause or purpose. 

 

Another prospective I like is that some of these charities cater to the wider community not every fan is in the city centre and would go or need "that" food bank. A lasting legacy might seem on the surface as an ego stroking exercise but it is nice to know that the fans fund will go towards hopefully a lasting change/legacy not just this winter or current financial year. 

 

I can see how passionate you are about this and know your an advocate of giving to charity. I can tell we arent going to agree on this and I am not sure if the fund has been sliced up correctly or not but I have no issues about the money being spread about. 

Btw the collective Foodbanks and Soup kitchens may have to close during the winter because they may not be able to put the lights on, never mind the gas to cook and the radiators to warm up people who attend. I’m sorry but Alan Shearer could run his foundation for the rest of his life using his own money, meanwhile Mary from Benwell, who doesn’t have a job, is on benefits through no fault of her own, is trying to make sure people in her community get a pint of milk a week for their kids’ cereal. NUST = Tory! Well done NUST!

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by HTT II

[TheBrownBottle]

4 hours ago, HTT II said:

A Tory has given more to the food bank than NUST 

Sadly true, but he is a Tory whose billionaire family live in tax havens.  Maybe if Reuben and his Tory chums paid their taxes and didn’t, you know, support the Tories, food banks would be unnecessary. 

[Conjo]

Don't torys, conservatives, right wingers donate a ton to charities like food banks etc? I always get the impression that is part justification for stripping down public safety nets, health care etc.

[gbandit]

Often right wingers are involved in charitable work, e.g. they have a charitable domain to their business so they can be tax exempt. Often charitable work is generally a way for them to extend their wealth 

[Guest HTT II]

30 minutes ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Sadly true, but he is a Tory whose billionaire family live in tax havens.  Maybe if Reuben and his Tory chums paid their taxes and didn’t, you know, support the Tories, food banks would be unnecessary. 

Aye, sadly, it seems we as a Nation have always had to rely on food banks, hand outs, hand downs etc. but it’s not right in this day and age people who have jobs need food banks as much as those that don’t have a job, the inequality in our society is shocking and without wanting to bash any charity, the Shearer, Sir Bobby and NUFC foundations in the main can exist and will exist without another cash injection windfall, like the way Cancer Research will if I don’t sign up to their donation scheme. 
 

I’m sorry to bleat on, but I pass the Food Bank/s every day almost and the number of people waiting in line for parcels of the bare basics of food is growing and growing and people I know who work are now starting to use them which is even crueler because there are homeless people and people without jobs who need them even more, that and I know some of the volunteers personally.

 

My own company donates regularly to the West End one, at Xmas me and my brother go out and spend in local shops not the big supermarket chains, to help the local economy, what we spend on our boys’ presents which isn’t much and I’m not blowing my own trumpet, but it’s something I want my boys to understand just how privileged they are and that one day they may need to have to use such a service and not feel ashamed if they do.

 

Again I’m all for any charity and as someone said it’s wrong to have to pick and choose who is more deserving and Shearer and Sir Bobby are heroes of mine, their Foundations obviously help a lot of people as one member noted with the Shearer Foundation, and are needed, but people are going without food, shelter, clothing and the bare necessities of essential living right now which will only get worse with the cost of energy to the point where a mobile soup kitchen may have to close for example, or a Food Bank.

 

My mate run’s a takeaway and they usually do stuff during winter and at Xmas time with a mobile scran van (Muslims, those people your Tommy Robinson’s think are bad people and not British yet do far fucking more than cunts like him ever have or will) and hand out hot fresh free food and he says they probably will either have to cut down the number of areas they reach out to due to the cost of fuel and generators or stop doing it. 
 

NUST for me hasn’t read the room as they say, they’ve taken how many months to decide on the obvious charities, ones that aren’t exactly begging for donations and support like our Food Banks and the genuine homeless who rummage through bins looking for scraps of food. I’ve seen someone on Benwell eating bread on the floor with pigeons, mind this is Benwell so that’s not unusual…

 

Im glad some of the money is going to a Food Bank at least, but howay, NUFC’s own foundation? They’re in for a great Xmas jolly up them lot…

 

 

Edited September 13, 2022 by HTT II

[Guest HTT II]

11 minutes ago, gbandit said:

Often right wingers are involved in charitable work, e.g. they have a charitable domain to their business so they can be tax exempt. Often charitable work is generally a way for them to extend their wealth 

Most of the people with wealth, status, celebrity who donate to charity do so to make themselves look good, for tax purposes, to acquire more wealth, status and celebrity. The true heroes, you never hear of them or know of them. If I’m a charity mind I’ll take even Putin’s money, if I can put it to some good use!

[Geordie2302]

the thing which irks me the most is their lack of ability to follow their own rules.

 

I'm not sure any consultation (despite several requests from members) ever happened.

 

The minutes published say the guardians selected the four and there has been very little information released on this...

 

Lack of transparency and lack of governance are big issues for the Trust.

 

Obviously as a member i'd have liked to have been consulted about regional charities to be included and then a second time on distribution - neither of which take any real organisation:

 

1. Which charity would you like to see included (respond by xx date)

2. There is £200k (oddly round number) to distribute to the XX charities selected by members on xx date, what is your preference how would you like to see the money split:

charity 1 [insert £value here]

charity 2 [insert £value here]

charity 3 [insert £value here]

charity 4 [insert £value here]

 

Quick add up of responses divided by number of responders gives a simple distribution model that would stack up and justifiable to members.

 

Yes volunteers but I came up with that (based on rules they wrote and agreed) in about 30 seconds and to note it in a minute and publish the methodology should be business as usual...  

 

[LFEE]

6 hours ago, TheBrownBottle said:

Sadly true, but he is a Tory whose billionaire family live in tax havens.  Maybe if Reuben and his Tory chums paid their taxes and didn’t, you know, support the Tories, food banks would be unnecessary. 

 

5 hours ago, gbandit said:

Often right wingers are involved in charitable work, e.g. they have a charitable domain to their business so they can be tax exempt. Often charitable work is generally a way for them to extend their wealth 

Correct hence why I’m anti charity ? It’s the government’s job funded by taxpayers money that is paid proportionally by everyone to solve all the problems of society. Just no one is keen to vote one in who would carry it out unfortunately.

 

As for the curious round figures announced it’s a bit churlish to think the final figures might be slightly more random. And if not it could be the case the NUST or the Guardians etc may of offered to round them up to those headline amounts ?‍♂️ 

[SteV]

This moving of the Spurs game (again) after TV fixtures (and it would appear to therefore be set in stone) have been announced is something the Trust need to be flagging with the club as unacceptable.

 

I can’t even work out what the problem is here? Surely Spurs European commitments were known in advance of the initial TV announcement? And if they weren’t there should have been a massive asterisk next to the new date saying it was still subject to change.

 

Not sure how practical it is for the club to attempt to refund fans for travel/accommodation already booked, but it’s probably something that needs to be done (even if NUFC didn’t have much of a say in the move).

[Geordie2302]

10 hours ago, SteV said:

 

Not sure how practical it is for the club to attempt to refund fans for travel/accommodation already booked, but it’s probably something that needs to be done (even if NUFC didn’t have much of a say in the move).

I think you’re right, this is exactly the type of issue the trust should be raising, not just with the club but the PL and the FSA, and we as fans have a role to support the trust in that. 
 

The difficulty around the club refunding people is that I don’t think its realistic, practical, or even appropriate as where would it end? The club have no actual liability or control over the change to fixtures or what arrangements people book or make and what they get used for.
 

Imagine I’ve booked travel for Spurs and the games off so I ask club for a refund and get it but I’ve still got valid travel and accommodation that I could use? Some fans will be able to get refunds without the club involvement anyway and again the club would need to have some kind of monitoring process to ensure any replacement scheme they had wasn’t abused. 
it would be different if the club had some kind of involvement or control over the arrangements ie they owned the hotel or had made the travel arrangements but if that were the case I’d imagine they’d have a refund / exchange policy in place to cover fixture changes. 

[Greg]

 

[Greg]

 

[LFEE]

£20 ? Why?

[Joey Linton]

23 minutes ago, LFEE said:

£20 ? Why?

Are the proceeds being added to the charity donations maybe?

[Wallsendmag]

On 13/09/2022 at 02:01, Sean said:

How did they manage to raise exactly £200,000 to the penny? Not a little more or less. Seems a very specific (and unlikely) number to me.

 

I'm surprised more hasn't been made of this. For all those pledges over all those months to come to EXACTLY £200,000 and not a quid over is pretty astonishing tbh.