AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Get fucked, Cantona was unbelievable. Have to agree, love the bloke. TBF these all time teams are pretty much impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I have a question. If you were judging them on their entire careers rather than just in the premier league, would you pick the likes of Keane and Gerrard over Xabi Alonso? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest NobbyOhNobby Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 But that's where it becomes Premier League specific and over the duration of time spent playing in that league. Arjen Robben was class for Chelsea, but played 3 seasons. Jaap Stam was class, but played played 3 seasons. You look at the players being mentioned, and they played the majority of their careers (and certainly at their absolute peak) in the premier league. The likes of Xabi Alonso and Michael Essien are obviously excellent players, but Alonso didn't play in the league for long enough and Essien had two good seasons before being destroyed by injury. In contrast, Keane and Gerrard became premier league legends over a sustained period of time. Similarly Lampard and Scholes fall into that bracket. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kimbo Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I understand if people want to pick the ones that were around for a long time, I was just wondering how he is rated as a player generally. Alonso was around for 5 years mind, which is long enough for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I don't agree. His passing over short and long range was (and to some extent still is) outstanding. Thing is with Lampard, at Chelsea he was always the most important player, but he was still ultimately a cog in a world class machine of players. He rarely had to 'take games by the scruff of the neck'. That would wash except for the elephant in the room that he never took games by the scruff of the neck for England either. His short passing is as any Premiership midfielders short passing is. My opinion is were it not for his goalscoring ability, Frank Lampard would be a nondescript, run of the mill player. Except he's statistically created more chances than any other player in the history of the PL (except perhaps for Giggs?). Nondescript indeed. Two things we'll never agree on, Bill. Politics and Frank Lampard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Drogba over Henry? Bahahahahaa. Even Drogba over van Nistelrooy is laughable enough. Not sure if anyone picked him over Henry but even you have the sense to acknowledge Drogba was a far superior all-round footballer to Ruud. As goalscorers Van Nistelrooj has the edge, certainly, but he benefited from taking penalties and having no real responsibility barring putting the ball in the net. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 A non-descript run of the mill player that scores isn't the linchpin of a side consistently challenges for the title, that's Kevin Nolan, not Frank Lampard. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Lampard - It's not just "goal scoring" though is it. It's not like he's just scoring tap-ins after staying in the box all game which is a skill in itself. He makes such intelligent runs. He's not so great in that middle - possession hogging passage but he's brilliant at finding chance-creating passes. Look at the goals scored against Barcelona when they won the CL. Two delightful balls to Ramires on the counter. Not to mention all the actual assist Lampard has. Fabregas is every bit as good imo. Better at different things though. I actually think Silva is better than Fabregas. Fabregas is very much a PL player and has to play as such. Silva is tactically flexible but equally as effective. He often controls games coming from wide. Everything goes through him. Drogba is above RVN comfortably. It's actually laughable to say RVN is above Drogba. RVN was a brilliant goalscorer - that's it. Drogba is/was a true leader for the team. And it's not like it was thrust upon him - he's just that type of big character. His all round game would make RVN embarrassed. In fact, the Didier Drogba lone man helped to take the game away from the RVN style poachers. Those teams would get outplayed. The great SAF Man United sides happened either side of RVN and it's no coincidence imo. The team after RVN often played without a #9 out and out striker type. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 I don't agree. His passing over short and long range was (and to some extent still is) outstanding. Thing is with Lampard, at Chelsea he was always the most important player, but he was still ultimately a cog in a world class machine of players. He rarely had to 'take games by the scruff of the neck'. That would wash except for the elephant in the room that he never took games by the scruff of the neck for England either. His short passing is as any Premiership midfielders short passing is. My opinion is were it not for his goalscoring ability, Frank Lampard would be a nondescript, run of the mill player. Except he's statistically created more chances than any other player in the history of the PL (except perhaps for Giggs?). Nondescript indeed. Two things we'll never agree on, Bill. Politics and Frank Lampard. He's third behind Giggs and Gerrard. According to statbunker anyhow. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 That's the most half-hearted concession since Al Gore in 2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Incognito Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 That's the most half-hearted concession since Al Gore in 2000. Not really. Gerrard has more in 100 less games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted December 28, 2014 Share Posted December 28, 2014 Perez is better IMO Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Anyone watching Question of Sport, penatly right in the top corner still got it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
maybe_next_year Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Anyone watching Question of Sport, penatly right in the top corner still got it. loved Phil Neville and Trevor Sinclair not wanting to follow it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
CPL Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Anyone watching Question of Sport, penatly right in the top corner still got it. loved Phil Neville and Trevor Sinclair not wanting to follow it Phil Neville bottling it just like in Euro 2000 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 2, 2015 Share Posted January 2, 2015 Is that episode repeated? Always wanted to see Shearer on QoS. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted January 3, 2015 Share Posted January 3, 2015 Are they not on BBC iPlayer? (not in England at the moment). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 https://gfycat.com/ColorlessPettyFlicker Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Decky Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Still has it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 https://gfycat.com/ColorlessPettyFlicker STANCHION! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 That is fucking outrageous Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Ah man I miss him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 https://gfycat.com/PopularSourEastsiberianlaika For context, Phil "The Power" Neville. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vinny Green Balls Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 One of the best penalty takers to grace the game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 4, 2015 Share Posted January 4, 2015 Heres the full clip for anyone interested: http://www.bbc.co.uk/programmes/p02fqy8p Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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