Pandamninator Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Didn't Tony Mowbary finish dead last year with West Brom and is now managing a team that gets an automatic Champions League place every year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Didn't Tony Mowbary finish dead last year with West Brom and is now managing a team that gets an automatic Champions League place every year. I know what you mean but still reads funny. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Nah, not clinical enough. Very picky .! For what it is worth I think he will be just perfect for us next season in the Premiership. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Personally I would vote "No". However, I think he should give it till the end of the season and then sit down and look at each clubs positions and consider his options. Bolton or Celtic? I'd pick Celtic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Didn't Tony Mowbary finish dead last year with West Brom and is now managing a team that gets an automatic Champions League place every year. A job that Coyle turned down didn't he? Probably realises he'd get an easy ride up there. Respect to him for staying at Burnley then, but can understand why he'd choose Bolton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yes, Bolton will at least have the odd splash on an Anelka or an Elmander, Burnley never will. Bolton have more fans and better players too but they are a worse team, at the moment. The difference between the sides is marginal but there are other things to take into account, such as facilities. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Anyone that answered "No" really hasn't thought about the bigger picture at all. Bolton have a wage bill believed to be around 4 times bigger than Burnleys. It was reported that Burnleys top earners are on £12k a week and that Coyle was struggling to match the wages of transfer targets..... from the Championship. There is far more scope at Bolton for him to achieve things and take another step up the managerial ladder in future. I have thought about the "bigger picture", I still don't see how Bolton is significantly greener than Burnley ? Bolton's wage bill might be huge, but : 1. Bolton have been in the premiership for years - they have "guaranteed" annual revenue / cash flow so they can afford so. Burnley are only promoted this year, they are skint naturally. Come next year Burnley's budget would increase. 2. Is it sustainable and serviceable ? Perhaps, that's why Megson was dismissed, because struggling for relegation isn't good enough for the club, financially, given the transfer fees they have spent and the associated wages ? I am not trying to argue who/what is right/wrong as I think this is very subjective - however I really cannot see how Bolton is a meaninguflly better platform for managerial achievement. Putting all these into perspective, at least we could really appreciate what did Sam Allardyce achieve with Bolton. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yes, Bolton will at least have the odd splash on an Anelka or an Elmander, Burnley never will. Bolton have more fans and better players too but they are a worse team, at the moment. The difference between the sides is marginal but there are other things to take into account, such as facilities. If Burnley stay up this season, perhaps they would be able to afford an Anelka ? Facilities yes - but hardly a deciding factor ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 but can understand why he'd choose Bolton. Why ? Genuine question. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yes, Bolton will at least have the odd splash on an Anelka or an Elmander, Burnley never will. Bolton have more fans and better players too but they are a worse team, at the moment. The difference between the sides is marginal but there are other things to take into account, such as facilities. ...and manager. I think Coyle will do better with the players at Bolton than the ones at Burnley. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mistle17 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 The best Coyle will be able to do with Burnley is establish them as a mid-table side. At best. Bolton have the potential to be a top half team. Not a huge difference, imo. I think he should stay with Burnley for another season or two and then look for something a bit more adventurous. When Bolton got into Europe under Allardyce they weren't competing again Spurs, Villa, Man City and Fulham (and to some extent Liverpool) OUTSIDE the top 4 places. Its a different situation now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Depends how much money they have I guess, seems like a sideways step to me. Burnley have far more character than bolton too Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Yes, Bolton will at least have the odd splash on an Anelka or an Elmander, Burnley never will. Bolton have more fans and better players too but they are a worse team, at the moment. The difference between the sides is marginal but there are other things to take into account, such as facilities. If Burnley stay up this season, perhaps they would be able to afford an Anelka ? Facilities yes - but hardly a deciding factor ? Depends who you are, if i was coach it might be a deciding factor. Burnley will struggle to find 8-10m for one player, especially when you consider Everton struggle to. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jordan Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 i dont see why he rejected celtic which arent the best club but can still get into to the champions league but then wants to go to bolton who have no aspirations what so ever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Banaloona Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 i dont see why he rejected celtic which arent the best club but can still get into to the champions league but then wants to go to bolton who have no aspirations what so ever Agreed. Only thing I can think of is that he wasn't prepared (or doesn't have the balls) to deal with the negativity from fans and press alike if things weren't going as planned. Pretty much like Mowbray is having to deal with now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Because Bolton is a step up, and if he does get them into mid-table for 2-3 year in a row, something he won't do at Burnley, then he'll be in a better position to either get a better job in the Premier League, or if he goes to Celtic after Bolton in 2-3 years time he won't just have the "anyone could do it in Scotland" tag labelled on him because he'd have proven himself down here first (similar to O'Neill I guess). Doubt the same will happen to Mowbray for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 At first glance I couldn't see the point, but even without the Bolton connection there may be one. Maybe he does have his eye on the next move, and IS very confident in his own ability. Even if he stayed up with Burnley, who exactly would be courting him next year, or even the year after that? Newcastle? I can't see the Big Four being interested, Bruce, Redknapp, O'Neill, Moyes, Hodgson and McLeish look pretty solid, and Bolton are as good as any other - plus they're available now. If he does well with Bolton he'd have shown that he can create a squad from close to scratch at a small club and got them playing good football, then done well with more money at a more established Premiership side. It makes his CV all the more attractive. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Delima Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Maybe he does have his eye on the next move, and IS very confident in his own ability. I think this is the most convincing explanation I have seen so far. Maybe Coyle is very confident of himself that team under him won't regress - and he is taking every opportunity to step up. However then, why not Celtic ? Europe is an excellent place to showcase himself ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted January 5, 2010 Share Posted January 5, 2010 Europe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 By going to Bolton, he's decided to take baby steps to the top, rather than risk rushing it, failing and having to start again. in a few years, this could look like a very smart decision. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kaizero Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 If I was Owen Coyle, managing a club I liked but was not my favourite club, and my favourite club came tagging along all "Oi, guv'nor, fancy some fish'n'chips?", I'd say yes even if it possibly wasn't a step forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I just wonder if there's more here than meets the eye - eg some problem between him and the Burnley board. Even if Bolton is his favourite club, that isn't usually a good enough reason to leave. The best you can say about this is it's a sideways move, and sideways moves often don't work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
merlin Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 I wouldn't - not a big enough move - better biding his time till something better comes along. pretty much this. If he can keep Burnley up, better offers will present themselves in due course. Like they have for Phil Brown and Tony Pulis? To be fair, I think Coyle's achievements with Burnley are better than either of those two - also, Burnley have generally tried to play football, whereas Stoke have relied in a more physical approach(Hull too, to a degree)....if I had to take a gamble on Pulis, Brown or Coyle at NUFC, I would pick Coyle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 yeah, coyle seems more 'likeable' too compared to phil 'i stopped a woman jumping off the humber bridge' brown and tony 'i fight players naked' pulis Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elbel1 Posted January 6, 2010 Share Posted January 6, 2010 If he does decide to head for Bolton then I, for one, wouldn't blame him At the moment he has a Burnley team that is massivley over achieving He would be inheriting a team at Bolton that are performing within themselves Owen Coyle + Bolton = Comfortable prem survival this season Owen Coyle + Burnley = Last day battle for survival at best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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