The old Chris Hughton discussion thread

[Dokko]

Struggle to see why days like today are totally blamed on Hughton.

 

 

Hughton thread, we talk Hughton in here.

 

Difficult concept to grasp I know. 

 

Eh? That post makes no sense. 

 

So, because there's a thread about Hughton, he must be blamed for the defeat?

 

Where did I say that?

 

Fun making s*** up is it?

 

If you want to berate a player, go look in their thread, plenty of people will be having a go. This is Hughtons so people are talking about his failing ans shortcomings as a manager at this level.

 

 

So what are you trying to say then? I know this is the Hughton thread, where did i say we couldn't discuss him?

 

So unless you've got a decent argument against my point, why dont you shut up and stop pointing out the obvious in an attempt to.... infact i'm not sure what you were even attempting to say with that post.

 

You cried that Hughton is getting 'totally blamed' for todays defeat, he isn't, plenty of people are taking their deserved criticism just in other threads with their name on it. Keep up doylem.

 

 

 

 

[Mick]

With a thread bare squad and 6 first team players missing through injury/suspension,it seems mental that people are blaming Hughton for this.

 

I agree, our weakness today was mainly down to Guthrie not turning up, the alternative was Smith. 

[oldtype]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

Guthrie was tried on the wing too many times last season and it didn't work so why try it again this season?  How many times to we need to keep trying failed players in certain positions?  As for Shola, playing him today is proof as to why he shouldn't have started. 

 

Might as well have not read my post. We were successful playing a certain way and putting Guthrie on the wing allowed us to continue playing that way. You have to look at it in context.

 

It's easy to say that Ameobi is s*** when you can pretend that we have clear-cut alternatives.

[Mick]

Guthrie was better in the centre but got a lot of assists out wide because he had more time and space.

 

The mistake is playing him in the centre at this level tbh because he is too weak, slow and has absolutely no stamina at all. He would be more useful out wide because his delivery can be decent but in all honesty he just shouldn't be on the pitch.

 

Guthrie has a record of 1 assist every 3 games for us last season and most of them came from the centre of midfield, Routledge had a record of 1 assist every 2 games while playing on the wing.  This season Guthrie doesn't have an assist Routledge does.  Routledge had a goal every 5 games last season, Guthrie scored a goal every 9 games.

[Cajun]

Guthrie was better in the centre but got a lot of assists out wide because he had more time and space.

 

The mistake is playing him in the centre at this level tbh because he is too weak, slow and has absolutely no stamina at all. He would be more useful out wide because his delivery can be decent but in all honesty he just shouldn't be on the pitch.

 

Guthrie has a record of 1 assist every 3 games for us last season and most of them came from the centre of midfield, Routledge had a record of 1 assist every 2 games while playing on the wing.  This season Guthrie doesn't have an assist Routledge does.  Routledge had a goal every 5 games last season, Guthrie scored a goal every 9 games.

 

Guthrie got an assist today.

[Mick]

I can understand playing Guthrie on the wing. We were playing well with Barton as the "winger" crossing from deep, and putting Guthrie there is ostensibly a simple like-for-like that doesn't require us to change a successful system. It didn't work so we don't try it anymore.

 

Saying Shola shouldn't play is all good and fine until you consider the alternatives. Out of him, Best, Lovenkrands, and Ranger, can you honestly say with a straight face that Ameobi is not the most likely to score over the course of 90 minutes?

 

Guthrie was tried on the wing too many times last season and it didn't work so why try it again this season?  How many times to we need to keep trying failed players in certain positions?  As for Shola, playing him today is proof as to why he shouldn't have started. 

 

Might as well have not read my post. We were successful playing a certain way and putting Guthrie on the wing allowed us to continue playing that way. You have to look at it in context.

 

It's easy to say that Ameobi is s*** when you can pretend that we have clear-cut alternatives.

 

I did read your post and you said that you can understand playing Guthrie on the wing, I can't understand that as he's not good enough to play in that position and it's been proven almost every time he plays on the wing.  We do have clear cut alternatives to Ameobi, they are not as good as him when he's on top of his game, like when we played Sunderland.  They are better than him when he plays the way he has since that game.

[Mick]

Guthrie got an assist today.

 

[Doctor Zaius]

Why the fuck does Routledge constantly cut inside?

 

Why has nobody told him to use his pace and hit the byline. If anything thats a lack of confidence for me like.

[Mick]

Why the f*** does Routledge constantly cut inside?

 

Why has nobody told him to use his pace and hit the byline. If anything thats a lack of confidence for me like.

 

I thought he should have stayed on.

[wormy]

Yep, my opinion cannot settle one way or the other either. Maybe he's a 'middle of the road' manager?

 

A few pages back now, but it's this imo. Sometimes he'll get decisions right, and sometimes he won't. He's not going to be a world beater, he won't help us progress very far, but he'll keep us stable. Think he'll just end up in the bracket of McCarthy, Pulis, Bruce etc. He'll just drift from club to club over the years if he stays in management after us.

[oldtype]

At the end of the day, is he doing significantly worse than expected with the resources at his disposal?

 

Answer that question whichever way you want. My answer is no.

[Guest BooBoo]

At the end of the day, is he doing significantly worse than expected with the resources at his disposal?

 

Answer that question whichever way you want. My answer is no.

 

My answer to that question would be no too. However the amount of defeats to teams who will almost certainly finish in the bottom half is very worrying. We cant rely on a season full of Villa/ Mackems games performances.

[maze]

At the end of the day, is he doing significantly worse than expected with the resources at his disposal?

 

Answer that question whichever way you want. My answer is no.

 

I'd say he's doing as good as he can. Don't think anyone else would do better. The team is just shit.

[wormy]

I'm not against him, that's for sure. I'm not complaining about the verdict I've given above. I'm happy with staability alone right now. Get this club on a sound footing, then see where we can go.

[oldtype]

At the end of the day, is he doing significantly worse than expected with the resources at his disposal?

 

Answer that question whichever way you want. My answer is no.

 

My answer to that question would be no too. However the amount of defeats to teams who will almost certainly finish in the bottom half is very worrying. We cant rely on a season full of Villa/ Mackems games performances.

 

I don't disagree. Am I worried? Yes. Am I worried because of Hughton? No.

[The Prophet]

Got it very, very wrong today in my opinion.

[Guest BooBoo]

Its frustrating because whilst the team has certainly exceeded my expectations so far this year, we should be doing better if not for a few basic errors that Hughton has not just made but keeps making.

[Cajun]

Its frustrating because whilst the team has certainly exceeded my expectations so far this year, we should be doing better if not for a few basic errors that Hughton has not just made but keeps making.

 

I bet a lot of clubs could say the same tbf, including those at the top.

[TheGuv]

No winnable games coming up.

 

He could easily be gone come Mackems away

[Dokko]

No winnable games coming up.

 

He could easily be gone come Mackems away

 

Agreed. No really winnable games in December, WBA by far the easiest.

 

He's gone before the Mackems, if not we'll get humped about 7-0 at this rate.

 

[Guest BooBoo]

No winnable games coming up.

 

He could easily be gone come Mackems away

 

The positive is that we've generally picked up points when we've not been expected to, so the upcoming fixtures dont bother me too much really.

[Cajun]

No winnable games coming up.

 

He could easily be gone come Mackems away

 

Agreed. No really winnable games in December, WBA by far the easiest.

 

He's gone before the Mackems, if not we'll get humped about 7-0 at this rate.

 

 

What has happened since we beat them 5-1? Seriously?

[Guest palnese]

Suspensions and injuries.

[Dokko]

No winnable games coming up.

 

He could easily be gone come Mackems away

 

Agreed. No really winnable games in December, WBA by far the easiest.

 

He's gone before the Mackems, if not we'll get humped about 7-0 at this rate.

 

 

What has happened since we beat them 5-1? Seriously?

 

They've been playing some decent football and getting results, we have gone in to decline, not picking up enough points while being tonked off the bottom teams in the division.

 

 

[Wullie]

I'm interested to know what everyone thinks he should have done differently today as far as the starting XI goes?