leffe186 Posted May 13, 2010 Share Posted May 13, 2010 I don't think the media have quite caught up with how serious the situation at Liverpool is. We've never had a major club go bust before, but there's always a first time. Just because it's Liverpool doesn't mean it can't happen. You wonder about the attitude of the Americans. In their sports, franchises are moving between different cities all the time. In Europe, the football club is a very important part of a city's identity and culture. It's more than just a business. Lerner does appear to grasp that, but that might be understandable given his history. The NFL side he owns, the Cleveland Browns, had their franchise moved to Baltimore in the mid-90s but after much legal fighting they were resurrected (after a 3-year hiatus). I think this is the only such example. Their first post-hiatus owner was Randy Lerner's dad. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 14, 2010 Share Posted May 14, 2010 http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/p/preston/8683899.stm Preston given winding up petition Championship side Preston have been served with a winding up petition by Her Majesty's Revenue and Customs. A statement from the Deepdale club said it had received the petition following the failure to pay certain liabilities. The company's ordinary shares will be suspended from trading from 17 May pending financial clarification. On Thursday, North End borrowed a further £550,000 from leisure tycoon Trevor Hemmings to "meet the cost of players' wages due this month". The cash injection took Hemmings's investment in the Deepdale club to £13.82m including interest. The Lancashire club, who were one of the 12 founding members of the Football League, are considering their available options and will make a further announcement soon. They finished the season in 17th place under manager Darren Ferguson, the son of Manchester United boss Sir Alex. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted May 15, 2010 Share Posted May 15, 2010 why dont they just borrow more money ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 :facepalm: I'll send them round to your palce Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted May 16, 2010 Share Posted May 16, 2010 :facepalm: I'll send them round to your palce Place or palace? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted May 19, 2010 Share Posted May 19, 2010 http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/19/premier-league-finances Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Was just about to post that, OM. Makes for very interesting reading. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Was just about to post that, OM. Makes for very interesting reading. Interesting reading but irritating format. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Yes, very irritating format. Reading Burnley's blurb I understand they appointing of Laws. They didn't even care Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 There's an easier to read table here... http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-1279762/Manchester-Uniteds-debt-spiralling-Red-Knights-wont-rescuing-club-Glazers.html Over 50% of Premier league debt held by Chelsea and Man u Hoy in Liverpool and Fulham and you've accounted for three quarters of all top flight debt. We've got the fifth highest premier League debt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 Our debt (£131m) places us fifth with over 5% of all Premier League debt (one 20th is about right though) Three years ago we had the seventh highest debt (£106m) which was just 3% of total top flight debt. http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/table/2009/jun/03/premier-league-turnover-wages-debt Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Neil Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I must have gone blind. I can't see the table in the article published today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Happy Face Posted May 20, 2010 Share Posted May 20, 2010 I must have gone blind. I can't see the table in the article published today. Updated at 11.33am The lawyers must have been at work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rob W Posted May 25, 2010 Share Posted May 25, 2010 they're after you Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 3/4 of prem clubs need to cut back heavily on spending apparently http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2010/may/26/premier-league-uefa-financial-fair-play Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 I'm sure there are clubs across the continent who will be decimated by this, if it's applied fairly. There are several clubs who are bankrolled by a wealthy benefactor. Will be interesting to see how collective bargaining over TV deals will change too as TV money will become massively more important overnight. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 I'm sure there are clubs across the continent who will be decimated by this, if it's applied fairly. There are several clubs who are bankrolled by a wealthy benefactor. Will be interesting to see how collective bargaining over TV deals will change too as TV money will become massively more important overnight. Not sure this can be applied easily. For example both Barça and Madrid routinely post profits, which are just accounting craftmanship as the debt (sorry, investment) keeps growing for both. I'm sure there will be lots of ways to circumvent this rule. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 I'm sure there are clubs across the continent who will be decimated by this, if it's applied fairly. There are several clubs who are bankrolled by a wealthy benefactor. Will be interesting to see how collective bargaining over TV deals will change too as TV money will become massively more important overnight. Not sure this can be applied easily. For example both Barça and Madrid routinely post profits, which are just accounting craftmanship as the debt (sorry, investment) keeps growing for both. I'm sure there will be lots of ways to circumvent this rule. Yeah, I was thinking about Barca and Madrid but don't know their financial details. I worry (in my anglocentric way) if the regulations will be applied more stringently in England than elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Martin Lol Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 The confidentiality clause imposed on David Moores when he sold Liverpool to the Americans seems to have expired. The details published in the Times and the spectre of administration haven't been well received on RAWK http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=028d2a732c6c4c5ff1b841176a2d6d45&topic=258490.0 After years of Liverpool laughing at Everton's financial problems, wonder how the Everton fans feel now that the shoe seems firmly to be on the other foot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cronky Posted May 26, 2010 Share Posted May 26, 2010 The confidentiality clause imposed on David Moores when he sold Liverpool to the Americans seems to have expired. The details published in the Times and the spectre of administration haven't been well received on RAWK http://www.redandwhitekop.com/forum/index.php?PHPSESSID=028d2a732c6c4c5ff1b841176a2d6d45&topic=258490.0 After years of Liverpool laughing at Everton's financial problems, wonder how the Everton fans feel now that the shoe seems firmly to be on the other foot? The lesson seems to be that deficit financing won't work if you're competing against clubs who are being subsidised from outside and who aren't going to have to balance the books at some stage. The new UEFA regulations can't come soon enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Breaking news: HMRC to veto Portsmouth CVA HMRC source says it doesn't regard 20p in the pound as "an acceptable return to the taxpayer" Written by David Jetuah and Rachael Singh Accountancy Age, 07 Jun 2010 The taxman is set to reject Portsmouth Football Club's plans to save itself from collapse, as it regards the troubled club's offer of 20p in the pound return to creditors as too low. "[Portsmouth Football Club] have offered 20p in the pound to creditors, which we don't regard as an acceptable return to the taxpayer," an HMRC source told Accountancy Age. Portsmouth is hoping to hammer out a Company Voluntary Arrangement (CVA), giving the South Coast outfit the ability to carry on as a football club - with a creditor meeting scheduled for next week. The club needs 75%, or more, of creditors to vote in favour of the CVA for it to be approved. Because of the amount of money owed to the taxman, the agency holds 25% of the vote. "We are determined to achieve a decent return to the taxpayer," the source added. HMRC had previously changed the first draft of a CVA as it wanted the proposal to include a liquidation in order to investigate antecedent activities. Accountancy Age revealed earlier this month that HMRC filed a writ against the Premier League regarding its controversial "football creditors rule ". The FCR essentially means all football creditors, including players and managers will be paid in administrations, with the money usually deducted from payments received through TV rights. http://www.accountancyage.com/accountancyage/news/2264288/hmrc-set-veto-cva Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Could you imagine where football would be without the FCR in place. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Could you imagine where football would be without the FCR in place. Depends whether you mean if they took it away now, or whether it never existed in the first place I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Could you imagine where football would be without the FCR in place. Depends whether you mean if they took it away now, or whether it never existed in the first place I suppose. Either. It would be messy as hell man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted June 7, 2010 Share Posted June 7, 2010 Could you imagine where football would be without the FCR in place. Depends whether you mean if they took it away now, or whether it never existed in the first place I suppose. Either. It would be messy as hell man. Would be another massive mess for the banking industry. These loans we have secured against our future transfer installments would suddenly be very risky for the banks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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