relámpago blanco Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I don't have a problem with all the money he spent at Villa - he was rebuilding a squad. The main issue with all the players he bought was that (a) their wages were massive (b) he ended up feuding with/not playing many of them © he didn't have viable exit plans for them, he just expected the owners to cough up more. Lerner told him to take some responsibility for them, so he quit. I can't see him taking the Sunderland job without the owners promising him money. Does anyone know off the top of their head how their finances are? Best way I can think to explain their finances is think of sunderland like a bucket with holes in, with Ellis Short pissing in it, soon he will need some more liquid if he is to generate more piss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I don't have a problem with all the money he spent at Villa - he was rebuilding a squad. The main issue with all the players he bought was that (a) their wages were massive (b) he ended up feuding with/not playing many of them © he didn't have viable exit plans for them, he just expected the owners to cough up more. Lerner told him to take some responsibility for them, so he quit. I can't see him taking the Sunderland job without the owners promising him money. Does anyone know off the top of their head how their finances are? Someone mentioned that the mackems are actually losing about £30 million a year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I don't have a problem with all the money he spent at Villa - he was rebuilding a squad. The main issue with all the players he bought was that (a) their wages were massive (b) he ended up feuding with/not playing many of them © he didn't have viable exit plans for them, he just expected the owners to cough up more. Lerner told him to take some responsibility for them, so he quit. I can't see him taking the Sunderland job without the owners promising him money. Does anyone know off the top of their head how their finances are? They mentioned this on Total Sport last night - people had been saying Bruce spent all their money - but when they worked it out with incoming fees (Bent, Jones, Gyan loan fee, etc) the net spend was only a few million. That doesn't account for wages like - and you'd need to be paid a fortune to play for that shower! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
brummie Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I don't have a problem with all the money he spent at Villa - he was rebuilding a squad. The main issue with all the players he bought was that (a) their wages were massive (b) he ended up feuding with/not playing many of them © he didn't have viable exit plans for them, he just expected the owners to cough up more. Lerner told him to take some responsibility for them, so he quit. I can't see him taking the Sunderland job without the owners promising him money. Does anyone know off the top of their head how their finances are? The reason he built up such a massive wage bill - or one of them - was that our entire scouting network consisted of one man, Ian Storey-Moore. Genuinely, zero scouting network. When he came, he was supposed to set all that up, but didn't bother. So what he'd do would be to shop in the UK, players he knew, and usually wait till the last minute, insuring we got raped on transfer fee and wages. It really was lazy and dereliction of duty. There's a piece by Pat Murphy which really is a perfect example of how the media will ignore all this, though. It's infuriating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 He has absolutely zero knowledge of players abroad like, you can tell that when he does punditry for the WC and stuff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Really not worried if they appoint O'Neill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Masterplan_safc Masterplan Martin O'Neill's last game in charge of a PL game ended with him relegating nufc. Legend. #SAFC Except it didn't, ye daft cunt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 The more I think about this the more I think it's a missmatch of an appointment. Never even realised he was 60. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 He does look well for 60, like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ameritoon Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Holy shit, would have never have guessed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Really not worried if they appoint O'Neill. I'd go further and say I'm quite excited at the prospect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris Banaloona Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Not worried if they get him. Its a win win for us..... He does well - A much bigger club will come in for him, most notably Man U, when Sir Alex retires. He struggles - They are back to square one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Aye, no drawbacks whatsoever to O'Neill doing such a good job that one of the biggest clubs in the world pursue to him to be their manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Is it beyond the realms of possibility that he's learnt a few things from his time at Villa and therefore might not make the same mistakes regarding spending, scouting and so on? Pardew seems to have done so. Obviously I hope he's an unmitigated disaster, but I think some are getting a bit carried away. He's a decent manager, they've got an average squad. I can't see it being all downhill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Is it beyond the realms of possibility that he's learnt a few things from his time at Villa and therefore might not make the same mistakes regarding spending, scouting and so on? Pardew seems to have done so. Possibly, but Pardew is very much a younger man whereas O'Neill is old school. He hasn't altered in 20 years in management so far. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 My step dad works with Steve Bruce's brother, he says he got a £7m pay off from Sunderland. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Christ, that's obscene. Funny that it's Sunderland, but really, he's got a fortune for being utterly shit at his job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 £7m Superb. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Christ, that's obscene. Funny that it's Sunderland, but really, he's got a fortune for being utterly shit at his job. Aye, apparently they pretty much paid out the rest of his contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 How many years was on that contract? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stifler Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 How many years was on that contract? He wasn't a year into a 4 year deal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 So roughly £45k a week? Seems vaguely plausible, I suppose. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 Nah, he had 2.5 years left of a 3.5 year contract. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ObiChrisKenobi Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 It won't be long till managers and coaching staff don't get guaranteed contracts like that. The payouts are stupid considering most coaching regimes don't last longer than 18 months. As more of the old guard retire and fade away from the top of the game, the younger managers and coaching staff will end up replacing them on rolling deals. You'll perhaps get 1 or 2 TOP TOP Managers getting extended contracts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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