wacko Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Like Barca, Spain also have a very good pressing game, to go with their creativity in attack. They completely stifled the Germans. If they play like that on Sunday, they'll win. Pressing right up the pitch is a key part of what they are about and it's rarely mentioned actually. The game didn't go how I thought it would. I could see Spain having to commit more and more men forward and then get punished on the break. But the minute they lost the ball, they closed the Germans right down and stopped any flow to their attacks. Basically, Spain were too good. The Germans feeling for the first time that 'fear' the English felt all tournament. The thing I love about Spain although sometimes the overplaying can be irritating is that when they slow it right down, it's kinda hynotic and you can feel the opp going to sleep and then suddenly someone will burst forward and gaps will open. Some lovely stuff tonight. The Dutch will really have to get amongst them or they will be hypnotised as well. Like Barca, you've got to get stuck into Spain. Let them have the ball, but give them no time on it. And when you get it, get forward as fast as possible. That really gets to them, when they don't have time to play. the problem is they are so good at not letting you have the ball that by the time you get it you're shagged out from chasing after it. It worked for Inter and Liverpool, and to a certain extent Chelsea. You don't have to chase them all over the pitch, just close them down hard when they get near your goal. When you get the ball, go directly towards the goal. Do not pass Go, do not collect £200. The Liverpool-Barca tie in the 2006/7 CL was basically a blueprint on how to beat this Spanish side. The German side certainly had what they needed--they're sensationally fast and good on the counter--but Löw appears to have told them to stand off, and they let themselves be over-awed by the Spanish passing. The big weakness of the Spain side is that they don't like it up 'em. Get stuck in, and you'll probably be chasing shadows for 30 minutes, but eventually they'll get rattled. i disagree. that barce side was very attacking in a way this spanish side isnt, this spanish side plays differently to the one than won the euros two years ago, they are a lot more pragmatic. their plan being if you haven't got the ball you can't score and we'll score eventually. I don't think it matters that much. It's about throwing them off their game. The Germans just stood off and let the Spanish play. Big mistake. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 1950? Uruguay v Brazil? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Uruguay have 1930 though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Damn, I didn't know they had two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Yep....... more than England. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Damn, I didn't know they had two. Aye. Back in the days when kicking huge lumps out of your opponents was a valid strategy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 OptaJoe tweeted that this will be the 6th final where neither team have won the WC before. I can only come up with 5: 1930, 1934, 1958, 1978 and 2010. Whats the 6th? 1954? Germany - Hungary? Am I wrong? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 OptaJoe tweeted that this will be the 6th final where neither team have won the WC before. I can only come up with 5: 1930, 1934, 1958, 1978 and 2010. Whats the 6th? 1954? Germany - Hungary? Am I wrong? Think Hungary were runners-up in either 34 or 38. Starting to wonder if theres only actually 5 haha Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 OptaJoe tweeted that this will be the 6th final where neither team have won the WC before. I can only come up with 5: 1930, 1934, 1958, 1978 and 2010. Whats the 6th? 1954? Germany - Hungary? Am I wrong? No Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
gazza ladra Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 OptaJoe tweeted that this will be the 6th final where neither team have won the WC before. I can only come up with 5: 1930, 1934, 1958, 1978 and 2010. Whats the 6th? 1954? Germany - Hungary? Am I wrong? Think Hungary were runners-up in either 34 or 38. Starting to wonder if theres only actually 5 haha 38; Czechoslovakia was 34; Czechoslovaks, Hungarians, and Dutch are all two time losers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Doesnt matter, as we're talking about team who had not won the World Cup before, and Hungary had not. So the 6th is Hungary. Its not reached the final, but won the WC, correct? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ketsbaia Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Doesnt matter, as we're talking about team who had not won the World Cup before, and Hungary had not. So the 6th is Hungary. Its not reached the final, but won the WC, correct? True. I forgot that minor (MAJOR) detail, sorry about that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Yep....... more than England. Read this week they even consider that they have 4. The 1930 and 1950 World Cups plus the 1924 and 1928 Olympic titles that were the only thing before the modern WC format. There's 4 stars on their crest Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Pig Farmer (Litterally Pig Raiser) I refer to him as pig fucker which always raises a laugh here. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Like Barca, Spain also have a very good pressing game, to go with their creativity in attack. They completely stifled the Germans. If they play like that on Sunday, they'll win. Pressing right up the pitch is a key part of what they are about and it's rarely mentioned actually. The game didn't go how I thought it would. I could see Spain having to commit more and more men forward and then get punished on the break. But the minute they lost the ball, they closed the Germans right down and stopped any flow to their attacks. Basically, Spain were too good. The Germans feeling for the first time that 'fear' the English felt all tournament. The thing I love about Spain although sometimes the overplaying can be irritating is that when they slow it right down, it's kinda hynotic and you can feel the opp going to sleep and then suddenly someone will burst forward and gaps will open. Some lovely stuff tonight. The Dutch will really have to get amongst them or they will be hypnotised as well. Like Barca, you've got to get stuck into Spain. Let them have the ball, but give them no time on it. And when you get it, get forward as fast as possible. That really gets to them, when they don't have time to play. the problem is they are so good at not letting you have the ball that by the time you get it you're shagged out from chasing after it. Need to clatter a couple of the peacocks early. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Funny how the mood in the Dutch media has changed after the Spain result. Yesterday it was all hallelujah and bring on the Germans and now it's Spain they seem to think we are the underdog. I am still very confident. Wacko is right about getting in the face of the Spanish players and putting them under pressure, and I think Holland have been doing exactly that quite well this tournament, plus Spain seem to be having trouble scoring, more so than Holland, so I still think we have a good chance. Both teams are terrific at counter attacking football (although both teams also seem to have problems finishing a game off when they break), so I would say scoring the first goal is absolutely crucial in this one... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
womblemaster Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 i would say it was 50/50 chance of either team winning the final. SPain have no real goal threat imo. Think the game will depend on how well spain stifle holland when the dutch have the ball. The spanish defense have flaws. A cagey draw then spain to win in ET. WOuld be very funny if torres actually scores in the final! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 was impressed with Spain, their defenders especially for a change - they were pressing so high in attack for the vast majority of the game i felt sure the Germans would just pick them off due to their pack of pace at the back but they never looked in doubt Alonso made some great interceptions, one of the best games I've seen him play for Spain albeit not with the ball at his feet so much a lot will depend on Robben come Sunday, he'll have to stretch Spain to the edge for them to have any chance of winning it - if Spain manage to use Busquets correctly and double up on him whenever Holland look to break i think it's Spain's game Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fugazi Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Does anyone really care about 3rd/4th place playoffs? Pretty pointless... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest je85 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 The golden boot chasers and those with bets on it really care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 The golden boot chasers and those with bets on it really care. arrrrgh you're right, never thought that Suarez or Klose could fuck my bet now... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TaylorJ_01 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Does anyone really care about 3rd/4th place playoffs? Pretty pointless... Meh, it's an extra match to watch. Not complaining, although it is fairly pointless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Stephen927 Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Nobody remembers the 3rd placed team, struggling to remember who it was in 2006 actually... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 Germany. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 8, 2010 Share Posted July 8, 2010 If Klose bags a couple of shinners against Uruguay I'm gonna be pissed for Ronaldo's sake. (The player, not resident antagonist.) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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