ponsaelius Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Selling Carroll and replacing him with Ba and then Cisse (not to mention funding Cabaye etc) is one of the best things we've ever done. Everybody was gutted at the time, but if you in hindsight still wish we'd got to experience the last 18 months without that happening then you're a bit mental. Nee offence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Selling Carroll and replacing him with Ba and then Cisse (not to mention funding Cabaye etc) is one of the best things we've ever done. Everybody was gutted at the time, but if you in hindsight still wish we'd got to experience the last 18 months without that happening then you're a bit mental. Nee offence. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Archie Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Selling Carroll and replacing him with Ba and then Cisse (not to mention funding Cabaye etc) is one of the best things we've ever done. Everybody was gutted at the time, but if you in hindsight still wish we'd got to experience the last 18 months without that happening then you're a bit mental. Nee offence. I was just reflecting on what could have been, not actually wishing that we reversed the last 18 months and never sold him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 We pratically built an entire team of Carroll's sale and new long contracts for current stars, as Sewelly said we were all p*ssed off at the time but it was the best thing the club done in a very long time. The mere fact our first eleven costs less than Downing and Carroll says it all, if we rejected Liverpool's offer than we would probably still be fighting with the West Brom's of this world ( no offense to them) instead of the likes of Tottenham. I for one wouldn't change a thing. Edit: just seen your response, fair enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wacko Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Who did nothing of note at Roma last season. That's not true, he was good for Roma last season. Played his way into the Italy squad. Just seems like a convenient rumour based off them spending a year together at Swansea. I don't see Liverpool spending big on him, and I don't see Roma selling cheap. edit: didn't even spend a year. Spent like 3-4 months. So let me get this straight, we buy the remaining 50% of a player to own him outright just to sell him less then a month later? If he signs for the bin dippers this summer I'll wash my face with my own jizz Your own jizz, you say … Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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ponsaelius Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Selling Carroll and replacing him with Ba and then Cisse (not to mention funding Cabaye etc) is one of the best things we've ever done. Everybody was gutted at the time, but if you in hindsight still wish we'd got to experience the last 18 months without that happening then you're a bit mental. Nee offence. I was just reflecting on what could have been, not actually wishing that we reversed the last 18 months and never sold him. Fair enough like, but it it makes me cringe just thinking about a parallel universe where we never sold him. No Cissé... probably no Ba or Cabaye... *shudder* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 If we want a traditional centre forward I'd still take Ba over Carroll for that role, less trouble and mentally stronger, and a better footballer. Can't see the need for 2 of that type, I want a striker who can play in a front 3 now. Ba is 3 times the player Carroll is and ever will be. People may laugh but Best is better than Carroll and as a footballer, so is Shola. Sour grapesque Eh? Ba 3x the player Carroll is, and best and shola also better than him? Absolute drivel. Big Andy polarize opinion, but he is still a very good forward. Unfortunately Liverpool fail to capitalize on his strengths with Stewart Downing the 0 goal/0 assist winger, also he has looked a bit lost for them this season. Give Carroll two good wingers and proper service and he will be a consistent 15-20 goals a year forward. Just so you know Carroll had one of the worst chance conversation percentages in the league last season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 Tbf his chance conversion rate for us wasn't great either. He's never been a great finisher tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
DJ_NUFC Posted July 13, 2012 Share Posted July 13, 2012 If we want a traditional centre forward I'd still take Ba over Carroll for that role, less trouble and mentally stronger, and a better footballer. Can't see the need for 2 of that type, I want a striker who can play in a front 3 now. Ba is 3 times the player Carroll is and ever will be. People may laugh but Best is better than Carroll and as a footballer, so is Shola. Sour grapesque Eh? Ba 3x the player Carroll is, and best and shola also better than him? Absolute drivel. Big Andy polarize opinion, but he is still a very good forward. Unfortunately Liverpool fail to capitalize on his strengths with Stewart Downing the 0 goal/0 assist winger, also he has looked a bit lost for them this season. Give Carroll two good wingers and proper service and he will be a consistent 15-20 goals a year forward. Just so you know Carroll had one of the worst chance conversation percentages in the league last season. It can be difficult to catch his eye when you pass him by with all that hair, tbf. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 @RAWK_Meltdown: top 3 of Borini, Dempsey and Suarez would be deadly, as they can play similar style to Barca top 3 players (Sanchez,Messi,Pedro) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 How much did they pay for Borini? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted July 15, 2012 Share Posted July 15, 2012 11m I think it was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Pretty much 1-0 with Rodgers sticking it in the back of his own net. Couldn't have handled the Carroll situation any worse than he has, Carroll has to leave now, and probably for next to nowt. More of this please Brendan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nemtizz Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Is it possible that Brendan is more of a mess than Dalglish? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Is it possible that Brendan is more of a mess than Dalglish? whatever else may be said about Dalglish he at least was tactically flexible not fixated on one strategy and one strategy alone as Rogers appears to be. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
toontownman Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Still think its a shame we never got to experience how good Carroll could have been at 25 still with the 9 on his back and dripping with confidence from being the trinket of the newcastle team. Water under the bridge perhaps but even if we now have "better" strikers, there was something about the whole Carroll saga which broke me in terms of loyalties and fotballers. Last man on earth I`d expect to leave. Ah well, history I guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 http://www.football365.com/f365-says/7904244/F365-Says Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 http://www.football365.com/f365-says/7904244/F365-Says Totally agree, it's a big error from Rodgers to write Carroll off so quickly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Shows he's not a pushover or a yes-man to me. He doesn't think he can fit him in so he makes the decision to get rid straight away. Bit daft that they have weakened their hand but in a football sense if he doesn't think it can work then it's the right decision to get rid. Manager is managing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Seems like he's trying too hard to put his stamp on the team early. Carroll was showing signs of improvement, he's much better than any CF Rodgers had at Swansea, I would give him a go. Obviously it's up to him, but I don't see why he's so keen to move him on right now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Shows he's not a pushover or a yes-man to me. He doesn't think he can fit him in so he makes the decision to get rid straight away. Bit daft that they have weakened their hand but in a football sense if he doesn't think it can work then it's the right decision to get rid. Manager is managing. I think he has been absolutely disgraceful myself. He has treated Carroll with no respect whatsoever. If as reported Carroll is still on holiday, has he even spoken to him to tell him he doesn't figure in his plans. If he has and it was over the phone in my book that makes him a coward. He should do it to the players face, not in the media and not before he has even met him or seen him in a single training session. The decision is fine as its his to make, he lays out his plans for Liverpool, but way he has gone about the decision on Carroll stinks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I personally think it's 1-0 to Rodgers. Doesn't want this oaf in his side as he wants his team to be good technical footballers who play an attractive style. Getting AC out of the door is a necessity for him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I personally think it's 1-0 to Rodgers. Doesn't want this oaf in his side as he wants his team to be good technical footballers who play an attractive style. Getting AC out of the door is a necessity for him. No problem with that at all, but you do it in the right way, to his face explaining why, do you not ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I personally think it's 1-0 to Rodgers. Doesn't want this oaf in his side as he wants his team to be good technical footballers who play an attractive style. Getting AC out of the door is a necessity for him. Whats he gonner do with the two man smurfs Shelvey and Spearing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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