Guest Eric Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Hmm. If they want rid they have to make it known to other clubs though? If they'd done this behind this doors rather than in the open would it have strengthened their position? That's what agents are for isn't it? I read this morning they had offered him to 'spurs, no actual quotes like, just gossip. Either way, I think Rodgers has blundered, he's stuck with an unhappy player who'll feel hard done to if he doesn't move and other clubs know he's not wanted so will surely take the piss with bids (it's our speciality). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Hmm. If they want rid they have to make it known to other clubs though? If they'd done this behind this doors rather than in the open would it have strengthened their position? Totally agree but for the Rodgers to do it before he spoke to Carroll is just plain wrong. Rodgers has asked the Liverpool fans for time to build a team, yet he hasn't even the decency to speak to Carroll face to face. Aye fair enough. Be interested to know whether he has actually spoke to him even over the phone. He could of i guess but even that is cowardly in my book, unless he knows/been told things we dont know about and just wants shot asap. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Has Rodgers came out and said he hasn't spoke to Carroll and has issued all this via the media only? Or do we all know for sure AC is still on holiday and hasn't even met Rodgers? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 There are a million ways of shopping players without saying "we want rid asap no matter what". Mr Sewell is well aware of that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Has Rodgers came out and said he hasn't spoke to Carroll and has issued all this via the media only? Or do we all know for sure AC is still on holiday and hasn't even met Rodgers? Exactly my point, if he has fair enough, if he hasn't then he is gutless arsehole for doing it through the media. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I just reckon any bids would have been of the pisstaking variety anyway. No club who would be interested in him (West Ham, Stoke, us, mackems, Villa, whoever) can really justify or afford a £15 million fee or his wages so would have been looking to take him on loan or with a subsidised deal. I don't think him being offered about behind closed doors through agents is that much different to making it publically known that they are looking to get rid. The only thing is it's a bit of a dick move to an employee and fellow professional, especially if he's done it without speaking to him. I don't think it weakens their hand all that much though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I personally think it's 1-0 to Rodgers. Doesn't want this oaf in his side as he wants his team to be good technical footballers who play an attractive style. Getting AC out of the door is a necessity for him. Whats he gonner do with the two man smurfs Shelvey and Spearing? Send them to the Liverpool Everyman and Playhouse? Burn them I say. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The supposed reason Rodgers wants shot is because Carroll doesn't fit the style, as opposed to him needing to regain form elsewhere. Therefore, unless the loan deal was for a year with an agreed transfer at the end of it whilst the buying club got the finances together for the fee, what point is there in loaning him out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Super Duper Branko Strupar Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Rodgers is going to crash and burn Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The supposed reason Rodgers wants shot is because Carroll doesn't fit the style, as opposed to him needing to regain form elsewhere. Therefore, unless the loan deal was for a year with an agreed transfer at the end of it whilst the buying club got the finances together for the fee, what point is there in loaning him out? Just get his wages off the books, and maybe put him in the shop window for someone else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The supposed reason Rodgers wants shot is because Carroll doesn't fit the style, as opposed to him needing to regain form elsewhere. Therefore, unless the loan deal was for a year with an agreed transfer at the end of it whilst the buying club got the finances together for the fee, what point is there in loaning him out? Just get his wages off the books, and maybe put him in the shop window for someone else. Beat me to it Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The supposed reason Rodgers wants shot is because Carroll doesn't fit the style, as opposed to him needing to regain form elsewhere. Therefore, unless the loan deal was for a year with an agreed transfer at the end of it whilst the buying club got the finances together for the fee, what point is there in loaning him out? Just get his wages off the books, and maybe put him in the shop window for someone else. As discussed before, which club exactly is going to be able to pay all of his wages? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The supposed reason Rodgers wants shot is because Carroll doesn't fit the style, as opposed to him needing to regain form elsewhere. Therefore, unless the loan deal was for a year with an agreed transfer at the end of it whilst the buying club got the finances together for the fee, what point is there in loaning him out? Just get his wages off the books, and maybe put him in the shop window for someone else. As discussed before, which club exactly is going to be able to pay all of his wages? Not many, thats why it could be a 75% of them thing, Tottenham took Adebayor on loan paying 70%-ish of his wages (not sure of exact figure). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 The supposed reason Rodgers wants shot is because Carroll doesn't fit the style, as opposed to him needing to regain form elsewhere. Therefore, unless the loan deal was for a year with an agreed transfer at the end of it whilst the buying club got the finances together for the fee, what point is there in loaning him out? Just get his wages off the books, and maybe put him in the shop window for someone else. As discussed before, which club exactly is going to be able to pay all of his wages? I don't know, I was just saying what the motivation behind a loan might be. Probably a shared deal as others have said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I personally think it's 1-0 to Rodgers. Doesn't want this oaf in his side as he wants his team to be good technical footballers who play an attractive style. Getting AC out of the door is a necessity for him. Or it shows his limitations in that he thinks he can't adapt his style to fit Carroll in and his narrow tactical vision focusing on one strategy and one strategy alone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Eric Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 West Ham apparently prepared to pay all of the £80k and more than £15m if they stop up, according to Daily Fail. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 West Ham apparently prepared to pay all of the £80k and more than £15m if they stop up, according to Daily Fail. doubt it, they have season tickets to sell and the porn barons pull this trick all the time in making a very loud very public show of "going" for big name players but somehow always failing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
STM Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I can understand Rodgers wanting to get rid like. If he doesn't suit his plans, then he must go, regardless of the original transfer fee. I reckon this never would have happened if Comolli was still there but because they have got rid of him and Dalglish they can somehow justify selling him for a knockdown price. As for the way in which Rodgers has gone about it. Would or do players ever show the same respect to club when they throw transfer requests in every other season or blatantly whore themselves about behind their own clubs back? Football is a ruthless business, Rodgers is showing Carroll the same respect that Carroll gave us (allegedly). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 It's nothing to do with respect, he's diminishing the return he's going to get on AC by shopping him so openly. It wouldn't be all that hard to just tell him & his agent that he's not wanted, and it's time to start telling the world you need a 'new challenge' or some shit. There are just plenty of other, more sensible, options available that'd result in significantly better business by LFC. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Aye, I think Rodgers has started badly with this TBH. Obviously if Carroll leaves and Liverpool do well it will be forgotten, but it could work out badly for him (team-wise) and Liverpool (financially). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 They were never going to be able to offload him easily and one would expect they hoped to make some discreet inquiries round to see if anyone wanted him, suspect NUFC kinda thought they could get BRINGING OUR BOY BACK HOME publicity and made a silly offer and have made it impossible for liverpool to conduct their business on the quiet. Think they rather walked into this one, they shouldn't have offered him back, but offered him to West Ham and other clubs, still may have happened, and I may be completely wrong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Had a somewhat heated discussion with two of my workmates today. Unfortunately, they went into "Liverpool fan mode" and said the following: - If given the choice, a player would choose Liverpool over us any time - Lucas is a better DM than Tiote - Cabaye/Ben Arfa swap for Carroll would be a good deal The arrogance of it all man! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
relámpago blanco Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Had a somewhat heated discussion with two of my workmates today. Unfortunately, they went into "Liverpool fan mode" and said the following: - If given the choice, a player would choose Liverpool over us any time - Lucas is a better DM than Tiote - Cabaye/Ben Arfa swap for Carroll would be a good deal The arrogance of it all man! First line true 2nd line bollocks 3rd line, yes would be a good deal for them, not us Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SEMTEX Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 Had a somewhat heated discussion with two of my workmates today. Unfortunately, they went into "Liverpool fan mode" and said the following: - If given the choice, a player would choose Liverpool over us any time - Lucas is a better DM than Tiote - Cabaye/Ben Arfa swap for Carroll would be a good deal The arrogance of it all man! First line true 2nd line bollocks 3rd line, yes would be a good deal for them, not us First line is not true due to the part 'any time'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted July 16, 2012 Share Posted July 16, 2012 I was really wound up They basically said that if the likes of Cabaye, Ben Arfa were given a choice to go to Liverpool, they would say yes immediately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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