Christmas Tree Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well I'm going to remain on the unconvinced list that it is a better style of play until I see it. If we are going to have two wingers getting crosses in, do we not want to strikers getting on the end of them? we dont play like this, at all ? Did Jonas not cross for a striker on Sunday......who scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I wonder if we see how keen this lad is by his insistence on playing for the reserves this week and getting a few 90 minute games under his belt like Marveaux did. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yeah, that'll happen. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Why's that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I wonder if we see how keen this lad is by his insistence on playing for the reserves this week and getting a few 90 minute games under his belt like Marveaux did. He's not playing for them today. He'll play a bigger role against Wigan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Yeah, that'll happen. you're such a teddybear Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well I'm going to remain on the unconvinced list that it is a better style of play until I see it. If we are going to have two wingers getting crosses in, do we not want to strikers getting on the end of them? we dont play like this, at all ? Did Jonas not cross for a striker on Sunday......who scored. I think he meant balls from outwide high into the box, rather than a short ball to a player from already inside the box. in the 4-2-3-1 with HBA playing behind lone striker, there's obviously less ability to get heads to long balls, but with both wingers essentially trying to get into the box rather than to the corner having HBA behind striker makes sense as that creates space if a centreback tracks forwards... While 2 strikers is working thouch understand not changing it, but do think we should rotate systems. I think Barfa behind Ba would terrorise the Wigan defence this weekend, doubt they'd know what to do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
JH Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Why's that? Because he's likely to feature heavily on Saturday. Why would he play in the reserves too? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 He will become our best player in time I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Cabaye and Colocinni are better players in their positions, imo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 He will become our best player in time I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Cabaye and Colocinni are better players in their positions, imo. Yeah, maybe, not worried anyway, I just meant that in time he would become an excellent player for us and arguably our most exciting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Rey Mysterio Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 20/1 to score more than 1 goal against Wigan Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 He will become our best player in time I wouldn't jump to that conclusion. Cabaye and Colocinni are better players in their positions, imo. Yeah, maybe, not worried anyway, I just meant that in time he would become an excellent player for us and arguably our most exciting. Agree with that. He's the kind of player that will excite the masses. I just hope for all his wankery he has consistent end product - something he has thus far lacked at the highest level. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Why's that? Because he's likely to feature heavily on Saturday. Why would he play in the reserves too? Match fitness? He was also due to play for the reserves until the Tunisia trip. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ATB Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Are some people in here kidding me not starting Arfa against Wigan...wtf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Are some people in here kidding me not starting Arfa against Wigan...wtf I'll be honest like, I'm not sure if he's done enough in his cameos to warrant a start yet. We still need to make sure we put our strongest possible team out on Saturday, and it's not really up to us to decide whether that includes Ben Arfa yet. Certainly he needs a bigger role this weekend (maybe 30 mins), but I'm not sure about starting him. Done enough? How can you require someone to do anything in 10-15 minutes of play? If you see it like that than Shola has to start on Saturday since his cameo on Sunday was better than what both our strikers did. Ben Arfa has to start, he has the most talent of the lot in our squad and there ain't a better match than against Wigan at home to build up his confidence. You could always take him off if he has a really bad game or gets really tired. But he HAS to start. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 20/1 to score more than 1 goal against Wigan Really? Where's that? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Can't remember if it was before or after Shola scored, but there was some good wing play by Shola which led to someone putting a ball in the box which beat the Spurs defence and Friedel, but Ben Arfa was too far under the ball. I would have fancied Ba Best or Shola for that and it shows the one folly of having Ben Arfa in the hole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well I'm going to remain on the unconvinced list that it is a better style of play until I see it. If we are going to have two wingers getting crosses in, do we not want to strikers getting on the end of them? we dont play like this, at all ? Did Jonas not cross for a striker on Sunday......who scored. yeah, that doesnt translate to an intentional and constant method of play though. howay man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well I'm going to remain on the unconvinced list that it is a better style of play until I see it. If we are going to have two wingers getting crosses in, do we not want to strikers getting on the end of them? What happens when Maiga comes? I wonder if Pardew does see Ben Arfa as part of his long term plans. (I know that will sound stupid to most). Maybe him and cabaye will work wonders with each other or maybe they will get in each others way. As I said, not convinced yet. Not convinced with what? With time, Ben Arfa will be a regular. Simple as that. I'm confident the lad will add an extra dimension to our play, no doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 he did it in 15 mins on sunday, he just isnt up to match fitness....only one way to sort that out even if it makes Leon Best a bit precious Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 he did it in 15 mins on sunday, he just isnt up to match fitness....only one way to sort that out even if it makes Leon Best a bit precious Unleash him against Wigan (sorry Leon!). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 he did it in 15 mins on sunday, he just isnt up to match fitness....only one way to sort that out even if it makes Leon Best a bit precious Best went missing on Sunday and Ben Arfa made an immediate impact. I would start Ben Arfa behind Ba & give him an hour to see how he fairs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Well I'm going to remain on the unconvinced list that it is a better style of play until I see it. If we are going to have two wingers getting crosses in, do we not want to strikers getting on the end of them? we dont play like this, at all ? Did Jonas not cross for a striker on Sunday......who scored. yeah, that doesnt translate to an intentional and constant method of play though. howay man I'm a tad lost what your point is? The idea is surely that Obertan and Jonas are meant to be racing down the wing and getting balls in for the two strikers to finish. ( let's put to one side how well either of the wingers currently do this). Add cabaye to this and we have a three pronged creative attack for two strikers to work off. Is this not how we are meant to be playing? (apologies if I'm been thick). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 I don't think the wingers we have play in such a traditional style. Yes, they sometimes will get to the byline and cross it, but they also make short passes in the approach and look to work the ball inside. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted October 18, 2011 Share Posted October 18, 2011 Discussing him on another general forum. Somebody posted this gem (had to share it): definitely has every chance of being top player of the year alongside other 'every chance to make it' stalwarts giovani dos santos, wes hoolahan, adel taarabt, salomon kalou. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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