Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Very interesting chat http://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/console/bbc_radio_newcastle The panel are talking s*** ie players didn't react so it couldn't have been such a bad tackle. Aye that's a load of bollocks like Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bad Mongo Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I don't know. As I say, I've looked at it quite a few times, and it's not obviously a horrible tackle for me. It's not a good tackle by any means, and should definitely have been a free kick/card, but I doubt anyone would have really noticed it if it wasn't for the injury. I kind of agree. It was a poor and dangerous challenge, but I've seen worse and certainly a few with more obvious malicious intent. Not something that necessarily needs an investigation for violent conduct, but most people not blinded by club loyalty would agree that a red card wouldn't be controversial. What makes it so infuriating is that the spineless cunt of a referee saw it and failed to give anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 It's a scissor tackle. The right leg comes round and cracks the leg which is trapped by the left leg. It didn't look so bad cause it wasn't a massive dive in the damage was done at the end and as the ball broke free, nobody inc the ref was looking. Premeditated and cynical. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 De Jong does this all the time though. His job is to pass the ball sideways and tackle hard. He was sent out to get stuck in to our most talented and threatening player, I have absolutely no doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 http://www.chroniclelive.co.uk/newcastle-united/nufc-news//tm_headline=send-your-message-of-support-to-hatem-ben-arfa%26method=full%26objectid=27398243%26siteid=72703-name_page.html Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 De Jong does this all the time though. His job is to pass the ball sideways and tackle hard. He was sent out to get stuck in to our most talented and threatening player, I have absolutely no doubt it. Totally agree. Hope he gets a career ending tackle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 It's a scissor tackle. The right leg comes round and cracks the leg which is trapped by the left leg. It didn't look so bad cause it wasn't a massive dive in the damage was done at the end and as the ball broke free, nobody inc the ref was looking. Premeditated and cynical. Exactly Parky, a bad tackle is not just a full blooded studs up tackle. I always thought that a scissor tackle was equally as bad and resulted in an automatic red card. In a way a scissor tackle is worse than a studs up tackle because in the latter the striker can still move just before the point of impact but in a scissor tackle once the front leg goes in to block the striker's leg, the striker in effect can't move anymore and all that is left is for the trailing leg to crash into the trapped leg. In other words the striker is at the mercy of the defender and all that determines whether there is a leg break is how strong is the impact of the trailing leg. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 It's a scissor tackle. The right leg comes round and cracks the leg which is trapped by the left leg. It didn't look so bad cause it wasn't a massive dive in the damage was done at the end and as the ball broke free, nobody inc the ref was looking. Premeditated and cynical. Exactly Parky, a bad tackle is not just a full blooded studs up tackle. I always thought that a scissor tackle was equally as bad and resulted in an automatic red card. In a way a scissor tackle is worse than a studs up tackle because in the latter the striker can still move just before the point of impact but in a scissor tackle once the front leg goes in to block the striker's leg, the striker in effect can't move anymore and all that is left is for the trailing leg to crash into the trapped leg. In other words the striker is at the mercy of the defender and all that determines whether there is a leg break is how strong is the impact of the trailing leg. Tried to do the same to Tiote a bit later, but Tiote had alredy gone. That;s why he went back and stood over DeGone. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Can anyone get a picture of Ben arfa on the ground with the physio and De Jong hand slapping his team mates in the back ground, which was aired on ESPN? Would like to send it to the FA Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 De Jong does this all the time though. His job is to pass the ball sideways and tackle hard. He was sent out to get stuck in to our most talented and threatening player, I have absolutely no doubt it. Michael Essien, Mikel Obi, Mascherano, Sergio Busquets, Cambiasso, Alou Diarra, Lassana Diarra, Mahamadou Diarra, This is a (very small) list of players that often do the same job on the pitch without breaking people's legs. He's an overly reckless player, and I genuinely do not understand why he is not punished for this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Can anyone get a picture of Ben arfa on the ground with the physio and De Jong hand slapping his team mates in the back ground, which was aired on ESPN? Would like to send it to the FA Did that really happen?...I just thought some of our supporters in their anger made that up...he's more of a cunt if he really did that! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 To be 100% honest, I'm not sure how bad the challenge was. Yesterday I was fuming and adamant that it was horrific, but having seen it a few times today, and in full speed, I don't know anymore. I think it's debatable whether it was a bad tackle, a bad fall, or a combination of both. I'd basically agree with everything Hughton said. I don't think it's a particularly malicious tackle, but I don't really understand why it needed to be made. A bad fall? You're crazy. De Jong snaps his leg off, not the fall. I'm sure he didn't mean to break his leg, but he did mean to make a tough tackle and take out the player. Taking the ball would just be collateral damage. I don't know. As I say, I've looked at it quite a few times, and it's not obviously a horrible tackle for me. It's not a good tackle by any means, and should definitely have been a free kick/card, but I doubt anyone would have really noticed it if it wasn't for the injury. Hindu, that's why I said EPL really got some problem. You think it's not a "horrific" tackle. In fact I agree IF YOU ARE GETTING USED TO THESE KINDA TACKLE EVERY GAMES EVERY WEEK. The standard has gone way too far and the players simply got no protection. Get the point? We should think that tackle as a horrific one if it can result serious injuries. We didn't think so. THAT'S THE PROBLEM. I am not saying it's your fault, because we are watching these at least 5 times per match in EPL. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 How can we show our support to him? I would love to send him a card and wish him the best, just dont know how really? Fingers crossed that he returns the same player as before! Im devastated! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Greg Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 How can we show our support to him? I would love to send him a card and wish him the best, just dont know how really? Fingers crossed that he returns the same player as before! Im devastated! Hatem Ben Arfa Newcastle United Football Club St. James' Park Newcastle upon Tyne NE1 4ST Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Pedro_de_geordieo Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Can anyone get a picture of Ben arfa on the ground with the physio and De Jong hand slapping his team mates in the back ground, which was aired on ESPN? Would like to send it to the FA Did that really happen?...I just thought some of our supporters in their anger made that up...he's more of a c*** if he really did that! It did actually happen I think he walked over to 2 players and slapped their hands, and Kidd says no malice intended! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colos Curls Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Btw you can leave comments on chronicles website for Ben arfa but it's highly unlikely he'll read that or be made aware of it. Best bet is to send your best wishes directly to Newcastle, if the response they get is big enough he'll be made aware deffinately. Would like to but I'd feel like a tit haha, hold his best wishes at heart though! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Did that really happen?...I just thought some of our supporters in their anger made that up...he's more of a c*** if he really did that! A few players were hand slapping him, including Milner. I watched a clip on Youtube last night and saw it again, if you find it keep watching in the background. I saw it at the time and couldn't believe what I was watching. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Liam Liam Liam O Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Wonder if he spends his recovery time doing an intensive English course for a month. He could then spend the remaining 5 months reading this thread. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
juniatmoko Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 still gutted until today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 still gutted until today Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 still gutted until today Think he means he's still gutted today, lost in translation and all that.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Wonder if he spends his recovery time doing an intensive English course for a month. He could then spend the remaining 5 months reading this thread. :lol: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 I've played the game my entire life - I don't see how anyone who has stepped on a pitch can say that was clean or not as bad as it looked. Like what has been said before, scissor tackling is absolute disgusting way to tackle and It's just as bad as going stud-in. The whole freaking point of a scissor tackle is to take the trailing foot...Hm, looks like thats going for the player not the ball. I can't wait for the return fixture. De Jong would be smart to feign an injury or be left at home. Give them hell. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 De Jong does this all the time though. His job is to pass the ball sideways and tackle hard. He was sent out to get stuck in to our most talented and threatening player, I have absolutely no doubt it. Michael Essien, Mikel Obi, Mascherano, Sergio Busquets, Cambiasso, Alou Diarra, Lassana Diarra, Mahamadou Diarra, This is a (very small) list of players that often do the same job on the pitch without breaking people's legs. He's an overly reckless player, and I genuinely do not understand why he is not punished for this. Exactly. All of those players comfortably play that role without damaging opponents, they all time their challenges and are disciplined players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Merseyside Mag Posted October 4, 2010 Share Posted October 4, 2010 Cabiasso in my opinion, is one of the best players i have ever seen in that position. He doesnt everything by the book, and does everything right. Against Barcelona last year he was tremendous. Yet, i believe that the premier leagues lack of balls too do anything severe about things like this incident, are making players like De Jong, Henry, Cattermole, and even a certain Joey Barton in the past, not think twice about going into a challenge like the one we seen on saturday. As has been said time and time again, lengthy bans need to be handed out to ensure stuff like this is going to happen again (or karma towards De Jong). However i am very happy with the performance of the team on satruday and no doubt will do all their best to beat wigan in 2 weeks time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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