taxfree Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Seems a lot of fans on here, on my FB and at the matches have written off HBA. Pretty f***ing laughable like. Some right dafties out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I personally don't think it will ever quite happen for Ben Arfa at Newcastle. His injuries and the way our side is now performing as a team and the dynamics, shape and system of that team, just don't match for me. He's a very good individual but right now I wouldn't have him in my starting 11. I'd have the same team we played last night but with Marveoux for Obertan, Tiote back in for Guthrie obsviously and perhaps Santon for either Simpson or Ryan Taylor and even then i'd be reluctant to replace either of those at this moment in time. We need Best up front because of his strength, running and hold up play. We can't drop Ba because he's our main goal getter. Jonas has to play due to his defensive game and the fact he's an outlet. His form and game is a huge factor in our recent success. Cabaye and Tiote pick themselves. Ben Arfa isn't a right winger either so just where does he fit... I can see him going out on loan in Jan or kicking up a fuss. His time was last season where the side could accomodate such an induvidual. Today we are a very strong side that is showing, doesn't really need him or such a player. Quite OTT like, especially the bit in bold. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest icemanblue Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 He'll eventually come in for Best, after a loss, and do well. He'll then be considered a starter. He's not getting in the team at the minute because of our form. Mongs will be mongs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Obertan got an assist so he'll probably keep his place sadly. It really should be him making the impact from the bench though, especially at home. Feel even worse for Marv, who should get more than 10 minutes against Everton. Bollocks, if HBA is being kept on the bench because of how the team is performing on the pitch that is only a good thing. Settle down. Obertan has been shit for most of his time here, especialy when we have time on the ball and need to make something happen in the final 3rd. He's good on the break if he picks the right ball but he hasn't got the quality to carve a team open like HBA has (And Marv has shown). Just because we havn't lost a game yet doesn't mean we cannot tweak our side slightly in the hope of improving it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I personally don't think it will ever quite happen for Ben Arfa at Newcastle. His injuries and the way our side is now performing as a team and the dynamics, shape and system of that team, just don't match for me. He's a very good individual but right now I wouldn't have him in my starting 11. I'd have the same team we played last night but with Marveoux for Obertan, Tiote back in for Guthrie obsviously and perhaps Santon for either Simpson or Ryan Taylor and even then i'd be reluctant to replace either of those at this moment in time. We need Best up front because of his strength, running and hold up play. We can't drop Ba because he's our main goal getter. Jonas has to play due to his defensive game and the fact he's an outlet. His form and game is a huge factor in our recent success. Cabaye and Tiote pick themselves. Ben Arfa isn't a right winger either so just where does he fit... I can see him going out on loan in Jan or kicking up a fuss. His time was last season where the side could accomodate such an induvidual. Today we are a very strong side that is showing, doesn't really need him or such a player. Yeah cos we're going to carry on like this all season, suffer no injuries and nobody's going to suffer a loss of form. My exact reaction when I read that post. Ben Arfa will at some point get his chance, if he's that good as he was prior to that injury he'll get a spot in the team in no time. In the longrun we need a genius of Ben Arfas capability, be now or later in the season, he'll play an enormous part in our hopefully successful season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 We haven't suddenly become Man City, there's no way all out current XI will continue to play well enough to keep a player of Ben Arfa's quality out of the team. If they do then great, we'll win the league as a consolation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rebellious Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 We have not really played the type of teams I would bring back a lightweight flair player struggling physiologically with the physical side of the prem. The few sub appearances he has put in he has pulled out of challenges. He will come good, probably against the more skillful less physical teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 HBA isn't shit, very far from it and he isn't broken psychologically. I just don't like the attitude that it's annoying that someone scored or got an assist because their keeping him on the bench. He'll break into the team when it's right to do so and when we need him to do so. Until then it's all gravy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Needs to bury his daemons, mist play vs City Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mosstef Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Yup, he'll probably start against both the Manchester teams, where we will play more of a 4-5-1. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Seems a lot of fans on here, on my FB and at the matches have written off HBA. Pretty f***ing laughable like. Bloody hell, that's crazy and not on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Seems a lot of fans on here, on my FB and at the matches have written off HBA. Pretty fucking laughable like. Lots of fans wrote off Enrique and Coloccini early on as well, while others insisted the quality was there and it would show through. Who was right in the end? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Seems a lot of fans on here, on my FB and at the matches have written off HBA. Pretty fucking laughable like. Lots of fans wrote off Enrique and Coloccini early on as well, while others insisted the quality was there and it would show through. Who was right in the end? Well Enrique was so shit we didn't give him a new contract and Colo is half the player Wes Brown is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 From the glimpses i've seen this season HBA Seems to prefer the mazy dribble to the simple pass and i agree with HTT that he may not really fit into our team play at all as he appears to want his own ball to play with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 HBA isn't shit, very far from it and he isn't broken psychologically. I just don't like the attitude that it's annoying that someone scored or got an assist because their keeping him on the bench. He'll break into the team when it's right to do so and when we need him to do so. Until then it's all gravy. I never claimed it was annoying Obertan got an assist because it'll keep HBA on the bench. I'm glad he got an assist, hopefully if he does keep his place (which I don't think he should) he continues to get many more, great. However he shouldn't keep his place just because he had a rare decent game and got an assist. (He probably would have kept his place regardless). IF Hatem is fully fit he should start ahead of him, it's my opinion of course, but if we're worried about collapsing due to 1 change to the system then we're in for a rough 2nd half to the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Seems a lot of fans on here, on my FB and at the matches have written off HBA. Pretty fucking laughable like. It's the new 'thing'. He'll be our best player given time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Christmas Tree Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I somehow keep missing these posts where HBA is written off. Seems to be loads complaining about him being written off yet none actually writing him off. Bizarre really :-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
taxfree Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I somehow keep missing these posts where HBA is written off. Seems to be loads complaining about him being written off yet none actually writing him off. Bizarre really :-) Deary me. You don't have to look further than the last page. From HTT - "I personally don't think it will ever quite happen for Ben Arfa at Newcastle. " Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I somehow keep missing these posts where HBA is written off. Seems to be loads complaining about him being written off yet none actually writing him off. Bizarre really :-) Deary me. You don't have to look further than the last page. From HTT - "I personally don't think it will ever quite happen for Ben Arfa at Newcastle. " Or the one 3 posts before CT's by ujpest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Christmas Tree Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 I somehow keep missing these posts where HBA is written off. Seems to be loads complaining about him being written off yet none actually writing him off. Bizarre really :-) Deary me. You don't have to look further than the last page. From HTT - "I personally don't think it will ever quite happen for Ben Arfa at Newcastle. " Its only one view, which in fairness is pretty well argued, and doesn't equate to loads of people writing him off. Being the player he was / is, he is obviously going to get debated but that doesnt always have to meet with the "Blasphemer" war cry. Its probably fair to say that performances on the pitch (where it matters) have shifted a lot of peoples perspectives on HBA. Where it once was being a matter of time before he claimed what was rightfully his, people are now looking at injuries to others as a route back in. This will of course, given his past, lead to discussions about whether he is happy to warm the bench. Time will tell. This is what maddens me about the reserves (not just for HBA) as when the moment comes for any of the squad to step up, I want them to be as close to A1 as possible. I think most seem agreed that neither Best or Ba deserve to be dropped yet so his chance could be some time coming. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anderson Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 From the glimpses i've seen this season HBA Seems to prefer the mazy dribble to the simple pass and i agree with HTT that he may not really fit into our team play at all as he appears to want his own ball to play with. Gerrin, the ujpest doza kiss of death, expect a Ba-like turn around imminently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 Seems a lot of fans on here, on my FB and at the matches have written off HBA. Pretty f***ing laughable like. Lots of fans wrote off Enrique and Coloccini early on as well, while others insisted the quality was there and it would show through. Who was right in the end? I wrote off Colo, have no problem holding my hands up, that was after quite a few games mind. Me old man is an Arsenal fan, likes his old school defenders, always thought he was a bit prehistoric in that sense, but he told me I was mental and Colo was class, fair play to the old bastad Always said Enrique would be quality though, mismanaged and kept out of the team by N'Zogbia. Got one right at least! My point about HBA is, he played about what a total of around 160-170 minutes last season. Came back from a massive injury, got injured again in pre season and has played about 200 odd minutes after a year out. Still trying to adapt to the English game and still trying to get his sharpness back after a horrific leg break. I've heard/seen comments like 'he's a liability, he'll cost us points' 'what's the obssession with Ben Arfa, he's a luxury player' 'he's like a young Dyer, will never make it here' 'won't adapt to our game' etc So despite being touted as one of the best young prospects in Europe, showing glimpses of class for us and doing the business at the top level from a very early age, fans are happy to write him after about 4 or 5 games of playing time. Fucking clueless. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 From the glimpses i've seen this season HBA Seems to prefer the mazy dribble to the simple pass and i agree with HTT that he may not really fit into our team play at all as he appears to want his own ball to play with. Well you were spot on with Ba so I guess it's curtains for Hatem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexf Posted November 1, 2011 Share Posted November 1, 2011 He needs to be subbed on for obertan on the wing until he gets up to speed and given the more free one of the wingers with jonas being the more defensive of the two just like last night. If Obertan had taken people on last night and lost it on the wing no one would have cared because that was he role. Stoke isnt an ideal game for HBA, but that sort of match where we leave him best and ba upfront to counter attack i think he can be just as useful as obertan and once he gains fitness/confidence may then go on to replace him in the starting 11 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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