Ishmael Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I'm actually proud of the levels of understanding in this discussion. Well done you guys :applaud: Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I don't think you can compare Carroll's contract situation to Tiote's. We don't know what happened behind the scenes and we probably never will. The way every thing came together it sounds like the Carroll situation was the perfect storm that got him out the door. Maybe the one thing I can agree with is that this Tiote deal was in response to the Carroll situation in that the club feels they need to lock up their good talent so they can signal that they are ambitious. It's not only a reward for Jehovah Tiote but it also send the message to Enrique and Barton (and others) that they aren't a selling club and that the Carroll deal was an extraordinary situation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan Gleebals Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Fancy him to score again tomorrow Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AfroP Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 the money for him makes it possible to buy plenty of solid talents that will secure the long term future of this club. Carroll is good, but he's not better than the combined force of all the players that replace him. That can lead us to Europe. how can you be so certain that the money we got for AC is all going to be spent on new players? yes they have said it will be going back into the club and not ashleys pocket. but they have not said in what way. it could be used to page wages, clear debt any number of things. i cannot see us spending 35million on new players in the summer. and the new contract for CT i'd imagine is simply a way to tie him to the club and automatically up the asking price from any potential buyers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thespence Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Good news I guess although contracts don't mean anything unless they're running down these days. What was his original deal? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 the money for him makes it possible to buy plenty of solid talents that will secure the long term future of this club. Carroll is good, but he's not better than the combined force of all the players that replace him. That can lead us to Europe. how can you be so certain that the money we got for AC is all going to be spent on new players? yes they have said it will be going back into the club and not ashleys pocket. but they have not said in what way. it could be used to page wages, clear debt any number of things. i cannot see us spending 35million on new players in the summer. and the new contract for CT i'd imagine is simply a way to tie him to the club and automatically up the asking price from any potential buyers. I don't think most think ALL the money will be spent just bringing in players. The club has said books have to balance but this deal won't have had to touch the £35m as the wages of the two players will be enough to cover tiotes new wages. So we still have £35m to spend on new wages and transfers. Remember wage bill may go down again in the summer if short term strikers and midfielders go and other players like Barton take wage cuts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. No, people were saying that Caroll wasn't worth a SECOND pay increase in one season, having just signed a new contract in September. I believe they offered to renegotiate in the summer, which seemed fair enough to me. Or a better deal to protect the asset. I am surprised people still think we sold because of a transfer request & a pay rise WE sold because of a £35 million bid. Yup. And if it were my decision, one of the first questions I'd ask myself is if I really felt I could get the same 35M for him in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I think the deal also helps the club show young talented players that if they sign for Newcastle on low wages to see how try do in the PL then if they do well we will improve there contracts. Seems win win Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Absolutely delighted. Well worth the money and the length of the contract is brilliant, total commitment to us and a midfielder we can build a team around. Unexpected, fuk this waiting till were safe bollocks, Tiote gets the job done, no fannying about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
B-more Mag Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Fantastic news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tomlkier Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 This is awesome news, sent shivers up my spine when I heard about it. There is no real comparison between this and the AC case, but if i had to choose between AC and CT going forward, I would have chosen CT every time. He offers a much better style of football going forward than AC ever will in the sense that he gives the attacking mids so much more freedom to play attractive football rather than the long ball we had to play to AC. It's great that we have him tied down for his best years, can't fault MA on this one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Fantastic news, he has been our one of our best players this season and I'm delighted he's going to be staying with us in the long-term. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Great news. Some of the negativity voiced in this thread has been quite frankly astounding. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. One of the points I was trying to make, you've just got it across better. In my opinion it would have been better to award the contract to him at the end of the season, rather than to throw it at him in an attempt to appease the masses/players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 I can understand some of the cynicism like. It's not because people are being overly negative but because of the way the fans have been let down/lied to by the people running the club for the last few years. It'll take a lot more than Tiote signing on to wipe all the negative stuff away for some people. Some are unwilling to get their hopes up and will always see the cloud attached to any silver lining, it's human nature. (I'll just qualify that by saying I'm genuinely delighted by him signing on btw. ) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Does this show Jose the club is serious ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Logic Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. One of the points I was trying to make, you've just got it across better. In my opinion it would have been better to award the contract to him at the end of the season, rather than to throw it at him in an attempt to appease the masses/players. People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a payrise because he'd just had one, and most were of the opinion that offering to renegotiate in the summer was a fair offer. The Tiote situation is different in pretty much every aspect. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Consortium of one Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Does this show Jose the club is serious ? I hope so Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Does this show Jose the club is serious ? I hope so It can't hurt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Memphis Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Tiote signing this deal gives the impression of several things: 1. Tiote is comfortable with spending the next few years in Newcastle. He feels that the club's ambitions can match his own. This is no small impression to give off when we're attempting to tie up other contracts (and sign players in the summer). 2. The club WILL reward high-quality players with high-quality contracts, but will not necessarily do so when (in their estimation) held to ransom. 3. If another club wants to sign Tiote, they will have to pay a large® transfer fee and large® wages. Again, in the UEFA Financial Fair Play era, this is no small thing. Ultimately, it's phenomenal news. Does a lot to lift the Carroll cloud. Can't see any downside at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 http://www.nufc.co.uk/articles/20110225/pardews-delight-at-tiote-deal_2281670_2302123 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nobody Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 Fantastic news. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. One of the points I was trying to make, you've just got it across better. In my opinion it would have been better to award the contract to him at the end of the season, rather than to throw it at him in an attempt to appease the masses/players. People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a payrise because he'd just had one, and most were of the opinion that offering to renegotiate in the summer was a fair offer. The Tiote situation is different in pretty much every aspect. But why is it? Surely if a player is wanted by another club, who will offer them more money - you show that you want them at your club by offering as close as you can to what they would earn elsewhere? At least that's the way I see it ... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 25, 2011 Share Posted February 25, 2011 People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a pay increase after a good half a season in the Premier League. Well we've just given Tiote one and even now he's only played one more game than Carroll had by that time (and only one month further into a new contract too). This is great news but some of the arguments given in favour of selling Carroll don't quite stack up. One of the points I was trying to make, you've just got it across better. In my opinion it would have been better to award the contract to him at the end of the season, rather than to throw it at him in an attempt to appease the masses/players. People were saying Carroll wasn't worthy of a payrise because he'd just had one, and most were of the opinion that offering to renegotiate in the summer was a fair offer. The Tiote situation is different in pretty much every aspect. But why is it? Surely if a player is wanted by another club, who will offer them more money - you show that you want them at your club by offering as close as you can to what they would earn elsewhere? At least that's the way I see it ... But what if we couldnt offer anywhere near was the other club was offering? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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