Gallowgate Toon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He should not come back into the side unless it's as part of a midfield 3, he's had a crap season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He should not come back into the side unless it's as part of a midfield 3, he's had a crap season. Get away man, he's one of our senior players and the vice captain. He'll be straight back in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 He should not come back into the side unless it's as part of a midfield 3, he's had a crap season. Get away man, he's one of our senior players and the vice captain. He'll be straight back in. I know he'll be straight back in but he simply shouldn't be, he's been poor all year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Midfield has looked far inferior without him tbh. We've lacked his presence, workrate and ability to get the ball from one place to another without launching it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Midfield has looked far inferior without him tbh. We've lacked his presence, workrate and ability to get the ball from one place to another without launching it. I agree with this 100%, he's essential to the team and even more so if Cabaye is out for 6 weeks. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Despite his lack of being able to produce from an attacking standpoint - would anyone consider him in advanced role ahead of say Anita/Bigi & Tiote? IE: He is competing with Marv in this role? I only say that b/c perhaps he gets so knackered playing up & down the pitch, if he either concentrates on 1 end, he may end up returning to form. Normally I'd say play him more defensively but I'd rather see Anita develop into the role. I'm certain It'll be shot down Also: this assumes we play 4-3-3, which fuck it- we don't and won't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I think I'd rather have Obertan in an advanced role ahead of Jonas. Both are clueless going forward. If Jonas have to play it has to be in a 3 man midfield in a ball retaining role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Fair enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Pardew should stop fucking about with Jonas in my view. Get him back out wide, running at defences more and helping Santon (or whoever is left back) out instead of having him fanny about in central midfield.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Nice theory, problem is he doesn't have the capability to do that anymore. He played on the left of a midfield four at Reading earlier this season and offered absolutely zero going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Nice theory, problem is he doesn't have the capability to do that anymore. He played on the left of a midfield four at Reading earlier this season and offered absolutely zero going forward. Nice theory. You are wrong! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
durhamunigeordie Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Nice theory, problem is he doesn't have the capability to do that anymore. He played on the left of a midfield four at Reading earlier this season and offered absolutely zero going forward. Nice theory. You are wrong! I'd love it if I was, but just don't believe I am. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Davy Ren Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Pardew should stop f***ing about with Jonas in my view. Get him back out wide, running at defences more and helping Santon (or whoever is left back) out instead of having him fanny about in central midfield.. This sums up my thoughts on Jonas Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Pardew should stop f***ing about with Jonas in my view. Get him back out wide, running at defences more and helping Santon (or whoever is left back) out instead of having him fanny about in central midfield.. Running at defences? He's finished as a winger man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Nice theory, problem is he doesn't have the capability to do that anymore. He played on the left of a midfield four at Reading earlier this season and offered absolutely zero going forward. Nice theory. You are wrong! Jonas hasnt ran at a defender for about 12 months. He's finished out wide, its painfully obvious. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 I liked him on the left of the middle three, gives him a chance to break up play and also push forward sometimes. Sadly we'll probably never play that again. There's no way we can suddenly expect him to go back to being a pure winger again. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Pardew should stop f***ing about with Jonas in my view. Get him back out wide, running at defences more and helping Santon (or whoever is left back) out instead of having him fanny about in central midfield.. Running at defences? He's finished as a winger man. Yeah. Has been for a while, too. Got away with it last season because of our success. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted November 19, 2012 Share Posted November 19, 2012 Him playing on the left wing, is part of the reason why teams can afford to double and even treble mark HBA. He offers absolutely fuck all going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Jonas Gutierrez can give Newcastle United a boost by Stuart Rayner, The JournalNov 20 2012 NEWCASTLE United are hoping Jonas Gutierrez can shorten their worrying injury list by returning to the side to face Maritimo on Thursday. A win for the Magpies will qualify them for the knockout stages of the Europa League, while a draw would do unless Brugge beat Bordeaux. Just as importantly, it would lift morale after back-to-back home defeats in the Premier League. Vice-captain Gutiérrez was one of seven senior players to miss Saturday’s 2-1 reverse to Swansea City, but the Magpies expect him to have recovered from a knee injury in time to play. With Cheick Tioté again suspended after a yellow card in Belgium, the versatile Argentinian could be needed. “Jonás, we think will be back on Thursday,” manager Alan Pardew commented. “He was close (to facing playing at the weekend) – we were deciding on whether to play him, but we felt it was too risky.” Even with Gutiérrez back, Newcastle will still be without Tioté, and the injured James Perch, Dan Gosling, Haris Vuckic and Ryan Taylor, all of whom, like Gutiérrez, can play in the centre of the park. Most worryingly, Yohan Cabaye may need a groin operation which could rule him out for six weeks. The more attacking Vuckic apart, the French international is the one creative spark in a stable of midfielders which, for all their talents, are more functional than flamboyant. In truth, the same can be said of Gutiérrez – a winger by preference who in 2012 has often seemed better suited to a central role – but his experience could be helpful in allowing Newcastle to wrap up qualification and make Pardew’s selection for their final group game, in Bordeaux, largely irrelevant. Only Cabaye and Demba Ba have made more than his 12 appearances this season. Pardew will at least be able to call on Fabricio Coloccini and Papiss Cissé, both of whom were unavailable on Saturday to face Swansea. Captain Coloccini’s three-match domestic ban does not apply to the Europa League, so it would be in his interests as much as the team’s if he were to get some match practice at St James’ Park on Thursday. Much to Newcastle’s disgust, the Senegalese Football Association invoked a Fifa rule to stop Cissé playing against the visiting Swans. Countries can prevent players who skip international duty from playing for the next five days to dissuade clubs from barring their players turning out intern- Cissé was declared unfit to play for Senegal against Uganda last week, but had recovered in time to face Swansea. Given that he was suffering from a bad back which forced his half-time withdrawal against West Ham United, it is doubtful whether he would have been able to do so had he made the 4,215-mile flight to Kampala. The matter has become political, with Newcastle accusing the Senegalese of harbouring a grudge after they prevented the over-age striker from competing at the Olympics, as was their right to do so. The Magpies are also likely to be without one of their outstanding European performers this season, in French winger Gabriel Obertan. “Obertan has got a toe that we needed to sort out, so there has been a manoeuvre on that which put him out on Saturday and probably for Maritimo as well,” Pardew explained. “He might be back for (Sunday’s Premier League game in) Southampton.” So bad are Newcastle’s injuries that even outcast Nile Ranger was in the reserve team which played in last night’s mini-derby. Newcastle have reached the top of Group D with a 100% home record in Europe this season, while drawing all their away games. It is a formula Pardew would love to see continued for another couple of weeks. Meanwhile, the Magpies have received 300 extra tickets for Sunday’s trip to Southampton. The game kicks off at 3pm. The extra tickets have gone on sale to members. Read more: Journal Live http://www.journallive.co.uk/nufc/2012/11/20/jonas-gutierrez-can-give-newcastle-united-a-boost-61634-32266270/2/#ixzz2CkcHQRgH Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I do think Jonas was a massive cog in Pardew's successful formula last year. His defensive cover and ability to link up defence and midfield was a job no one else did. Now Santon is doing it a little but, but not as effectively or consistently IMO (as Santon, much as I'm excited about him, usually ends up being crowded out unless he releases it early). Jonas didn't even try to beat players (because he can't anymore ) so he found a B&W shirt 90% of the time. Or won a free-kick which allowed us to push out from our half. His drop in form (both out wide and in the middle) have been a very big factor in how poor we've looked IMO. He looks very uncomfortable and indecisive on the ball this season, which isn't helped by the inertia around him, but still quite worrying. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I do think Jonas was a massive cog in Pardew's successful formula last year. His defensive cover and ability to link up defence and midfield was a job no one else did. Now Santon is doing it a little but, but not as effectively or consistently IMO (as Santon, much as I'm excited about him, usually ends up being crowded out unless he releases it early). Jonas didn't even try to beat players (because he can't anymore ) so he found a B&W shirt 90% of the time. Or won a free-kick which allowed us to push out from our half. His drop in form (both out wide and in the middle) have been a very big factor in how poor we've looked IMO. He looks very uncomfortable and indecisive on the ball this season, which isn't helped by the inertia around him, but still quite worrying. Spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lenny Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 Jonas hasn't looked the same player IMO since he essentially had to double up as a left back to bail out Raylor. It's like he's forgotten how to attack since then. It may be that his legs have gone or whatever, but they shouldn't have at his age, I'd like to think its down to how Pardew has utilised him throughout his time in charge, he's our workhorse that relieves pressure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 I miss Jonas on the wing Seeing him attacking was beautiful (until the end bit) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 The thought of this fucking chancer in the middle holding the ball up again stopping our flowing football again makes my stomach turn. Get rid. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted November 20, 2012 Share Posted November 20, 2012 The thought of this f***ing chancer in the middle holding the ball up again stopping our flowing football again makes my stomach turn. Get rid. I'm quite happy to see him in the middle, I don't mind it at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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