triggs Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 'mon the Greeks. Said nobody ever Well, 1 person They'll probably find a way to scrape through as well, always do. You from there or have relatives there or something? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 'mon the Greeks. Said nobody ever Well, 1 person They'll probably find a way to scrape through as well, always do. You from there or have relatives there or something? Nope, used to have 2 family holidays there a year from when I was born up until mid teens and ended up watching a bit of Greek football of course when we were there. Sort of just continued on from that plus we were in Greece just after they won the Euros which was pretty cool. I realise there one of the most dull teams to watch internationally though so can see why any neutral would be rooting for Croatia Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 'mon the Greeks. Said nobody ever Well, 1 person They'll probably find a way to scrape through as well, always do. You from there or have relatives there or something? Nope, used to have 2 family holidays there a year from when I was born up until mid teens and ended up watching a bit of Greek football of course when we were there. Sort of just continued on from that plus we were in Greece just after they won the Euros which was pretty cool. I realise there one of the most dull teams to watch internationally though so can see why any neutral would be rooting for Croatia Fair enough Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted October 17, 2017 Share Posted October 17, 2017 Hopp Schwiiz Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted October 18, 2017 Share Posted October 18, 2017 Northern Ireland v Switzerland Croatia v Greece Denmark v Republic Ireland Sweden v Italy I’d like this, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexjack Posted October 30, 2017 Share Posted October 30, 2017 Serbia just sacked their manager. That's what you get when you are 1st in the group and qualify directly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 Serbia just sacked their manager. That's what you get when you are 1st in the group and qualify directly. That’ll teach him to pick Mitro... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cubaricho Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 This is still happening without us? :'( Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Altamullan Posted November 1, 2017 Share Posted November 1, 2017 This is still happening without us? :'( What’s this talk of an ‘us’ kemosabe? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted November 4, 2017 Share Posted November 4, 2017 Guerrero caught in anti-doping after Peru-Argentina game. If he gets suspended it would be a huge miss for Peru against New Zealand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 "It's like dating someone who's super hot, but doesn't like sex. Whats the point" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Maradona is the greatest footballer ever, by a fucking mile. If Messi wins the world cup with a pub team then we can compare the two. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Football is completely different now than it was back then. Look at the defending for Maradona's goal against England ffs. Imagine one of the top international teams defending like that now Even imagine a top keeper getting beat to a high ball by a midget, hand or no hand Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Maradona is the greatest footballer ever, by a fucking mile. If Messi wins the world cup with a pub team then we can compare the two. How old are you? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 FWIW I don't think the World Cup is the measure anymore tbh. It's still the greatest tournament, but it's not a yardstick to measure footballers by. It's genuinely the only thing left to throw at Messi as well, and tbh he nearly dragged Argentina to a World Cup win (particularly in the group stages) when he was nowhere near his best after just coming back from injury. His clutch moments and big game moments are other-worldly at times. For me there's no comparison between Messi and anyone tbh. I know people say it's close between him and Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele, whoever else, but for me it's stratospheric in terms of what I see. I'll always hold back on Pele and Maradona though, purely because I don't think you can really comment with any authority on something you haven't seen at the time, but with everyone else in my lifetime it's not even close. Maybe original Ronaldo for that one season, but nah not really, part of what's so insane about Messi is that he's been doing it consistently for a decade with absolutely everyone including the best managers, defensive coaches, defenders, and 'keepers knowing exactly what he's about, what he's capable of, at times what he's going to do, and yet he still does it quite often while making them look like absolute mugs, simply because he cannot be stopped. For me whenever Messi doesn't win the Ballon D'or it's when he's slightly off his form, rather than anyone else being able to touch him when he's at his best, because when he's at his best, everyone else can be and they'll still be nowhere near him and what he can do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
henke Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Maradona is the greatest footballer ever, by a fucking mile. If Messi wins the world cup with a pub team then we can compare the two. How old are you? 40 I don't disagree with what KI is saying about Messi. But Maradona done all that, even better. He played at a time when the opponents had a license to kick him up in the air. He played on much weaker teams and carried them on his back. He could walk on water. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Didn't realise that last bit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 I agree with Henke Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Argentina won the final scoring three goals, none of which Maradona scored. They couldn't have been that shit other than him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 If Messi moves to NUFC in the summer and we win the league for the next two seasons I'll put him above Maradona Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Day Gadgie Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Messi is on another planet like. I find it amazing that some people can't see it but everyone's entitled to their opinion. He'll probably end up with more career goals than the likes of Maradona, Zidane and Cruyff made appearances. Absolutely crazy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Figures 1-0 Football Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 Messi is on another planet like. I find it amazing that some people can't see it but everyone's entitled to their opinion. He'll probably end up with more career goals than the likes of Maradona, Zidane and Cruyff made appearances. Absolutely crazy! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted November 8, 2017 Share Posted November 8, 2017 91 goals in 2012. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 FWIW I don't think the World Cup is the measure anymore tbh. It's still the greatest tournament, but it's not a yardstick to measure footballers by. It's genuinely the only thing left to throw at Messi as well, and tbh he nearly dragged Argentina to a World Cup win (particularly in the group stages) when he was nowhere near his best after just coming back from injury. His clutch moments and big game moments are other-worldly at times. For me there's no comparison between Messi and anyone tbh. I know people say it's close between him and Ronaldo, Maradona, Pele, whoever else, but for me it's stratospheric in terms of what I see. I'll always hold back on Pele and Maradona though, purely because I don't think you can really comment with any authority on something you haven't seen at the time, but with everyone else in my lifetime it's not even close. Maybe original Ronaldo for that one season, but nah not really, part of what's so insane about Messi is that he's been doing it consistently for a decade with absolutely everyone including the best managers, defensive coaches, defenders, and 'keepers knowing exactly what he's about, what he's capable of, at times what he's going to do, and yet he still does it quite often while making them look like absolute mugs, simply because he cannot be stopped. For me whenever Messi doesn't win the Ballon D'or it's when he's slightly off his form, rather than anyone else being able to touch him when he's at his best, because when he's at his best, everyone else can be and they'll still be nowhere near him and what he can do. I completely agree, mainly because club football is of a much higher level now compared to international football. I mean as i have said before the current world champions are basically Bayern Munich without Lewandowski, Thiago, Vidal, Robben, Alaba, Ribery etc etc. How far would that team get in the CL? probably 2nd round at best.(unless they get an easy draw) I never understood the mindset that you need to win a WC anyway tbh, it's like saying Maradona needed to win the European Cup but does anyone said that? like fuck do they, also if you want to make the argument my case would be that Maradona's club career doesn't come close to Messi and many others. I would say the closest player outside the generation in terms of joint international and club resume would be Cruyff. Lastly this is just a theory but i get the feeling that the reason the World Cup was so revered back then was because people never saw these players outside of that tournament, where as today we get to watch La Liga, Serie A and so on every week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted November 9, 2017 Share Posted November 9, 2017 The German world cup squad of 2014 would be class though, they'd probably be in with a strong chance of winning any Champions League. Same with the Spain side that dominated before them. I get the point and agree with the jist of it but the top few nations usually have ridiculous squads. 1 Manuel Neuer goalkeeper, Bayern Munich 2 Kevin Grosskreutz defender, Borussia Dortmund 3 Matthias Ginter midfielder, Freiburg 4 Benedikt Höwedes defender, Schalke 5 Mats Hummels defender, Borussia Dortmund 6 Sami Khedira midfielder, Real Madrid 7 Bastian Schweinsteiger midfielder, Bayern Munich 8 Mesut Özil midfielder, Arsenal 9 André Schürrle midfielder, Chelsea 10 Lukas Podolski midfielder, Arsenal 11 Miroslav Klose forward, Lazio 12 Ron-Robert Zieler goalkeeper, Hannover 13 Thomas Müller midfielder, Bayern Munich 14 Julian Draxler midfielder, Schalke 15 Erik Durm defender, Borussia Dortmund 16 Philipp Lahm (captain) defender, Bayern Munich 17 Per Mertesacker defender, Arsenal 18 Toni Kroos midfielder, Bayern Munich 19 Mario Götze midfielder, Bayern Munich 20 Jérôme Boateng defender, Bayern Munich 21 Shkodran Mustafi defender, Sampdoria 22 Roman Weidenfeller goalkeeper, Borussia Dortmund 23 Christoph Kramer midfielder, Borussia Mönchengladbach Their current squad has Werner, Ozil, Keidra, Sane, Gotze, Kroos, Howedes etc etc from outside of Bayern too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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