Ronaldo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 50 today! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 He was hardly going to say "yes, I've been angling after Chris Hughton's job for weeks". Anyway, surely the club is wise to line up a replacement for Hughton if they know they're going to sack him - would be much worse to fire him and not have any idea who would be coming in. They had known for months they were going to sack him and Alan Pardew is the best they could come up with? Bollocks. His apppintment, and the reasons for it, are obvious. They might have spent more and appointed Jol and still got worse results. Do you really think Jol would want to work for those two? Or any self respecting manager? There's a few good reasons no other cunt was in for the job. My point was he's done okay results wise, there's no guarantee a big name would necessarily have done better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Baggio Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 There were rumours that he got the job so that he could pay back gambling debts to his employers (probably based on people not being able to find another reason for jettisoning a successful and popular manager for a failure from the 3rd division). Yet the 3rd division failure still managed a better points to games ratio in the league than the successful manager despite playing 6 of the top 7 at home and without a £35 million striker for the majority of it. Nice one Pards and !!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Minhosa Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 There were rumours that he got the job so that he could pay back gambling debts to his employers (probably based on people not being able to find another reason for jettisoning a successful and popular manager for a failure from the 3rd division). Yet the 3rd division failure still managed a better points to games ratio in the league than the successful manager despite playing 6 of the top 7 at home and without a £35 million striker for the majority of it. Nice one Pards and !!! Aren't you banned yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 He was hardly going to say "yes, I've been angling after Chris Hughton's job for weeks". Anyway, surely the club is wise to line up a replacement for Hughton if they know they're going to sack him - would be much worse to fire him and not have any idea who would be coming in. They had known for months they were going to sack him and Alan Pardew is the best they could come up with? Bollocks. His apppintment, and the reasons for it, are obvious. They might have spent more and appointed Jol and still got worse results. Do you really think Jol would want to work for those two? Or any self respecting manager? There's a few good reasons no other cunt was in for the job. My point was he's done okay results wise, there's no guarantee a big name would necessarily have done better. My point was a big name was never in the frame. They could have been offered Wenger, Ferguson and Mourinho and it wouldn't have mattered. They wanted a yes man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 They wanted a yes man. jackflash posted some pardew carroll quotes the other day and they were horrifying man i'd love to see an analysis of his comments since he took over, he's reading fucking scripts imo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. Ian man sometimes you take impartiality to extremes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. My point is Ian, I want someone with integrity - not an obvious Ashley whelp. I want a manager who can genuinely fight his corner to protect the good of the team, to demand players in certain positions and to throw the dummy out of the pram when he has to. Pardew's too busy wiping Mikes jizz from his lips to worry about shit like that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. Ian man sometimes you take impartiality to extremes. Sorry, cockney mafia out, boycoutt etc etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 He was hardly going to say "yes, I've been angling after Chris Hughton's job for weeks". Anyway, surely the club is wise to line up a replacement for Hughton if they know they're going to sack him - would be much worse to fire him and not have any idea who would be coming in. They had known for months they were going to sack him and Alan Pardew is the best they could come up with? Bollocks. His apppintment, and the reasons for it, are obvious. They might have spent more and appointed Jol and still got worse results. Do you really think Jol would want to work for those two? Or any self respecting manager? There's a few good reasons no other cunt was in for the job. Exactly... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. My point is Ian, I want someone with intergrity - not an obvious Ashley whelp. I want a manager who can genuinely fight his corner to protect the good of the team, to demand players in certain positions and to throw the dummy out of the pram when he has to. Pardew's too busy wiping Mikes jizz from his lips to worry about shit like that. The difference is I believe he is trying to convince Ashley to spend when he can. I believe that, you choose to believe something else, the truth is that nobody has a fucking clue. The feeling I get from Pardew is that he's quite a genuine guy, that's it really. I'm not saying he'll be able to make Ashley spend big, but nobody would be able to do that... and if they tried too hard they would have to resign. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 They wanted a yes man. jackflash posted some pardew carroll quotes the other day and they were horrifying man i'd love to see an analysis of his comments since he took over, he's reading fucking scripts imo Me too - I wish I had the time to compile them. From his first presser to date, he's been a one-man bullshitting machine. I remember listening to him after a Monday Night Game and the interviewer asked him about the possibility of Beckham and he said something like, 'you never know, we'd never rule him out, it's a complicated deal with Beckham I should think but he's one that could wear the shirt' which was an absolute heap of shite. In the same interview he also said he'd be knocking on Mike Ashleys door (the Jan window had just opened - it was after a 1-0 win with Amoebi scoring but can't remember the opposition) - for another offensive player as we were very light. We subsequently sold AC and only brought in Kuqi. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. My point is Ian, I want someone with intergrity - not an obvious Ashley whelp. I want a manager who can genuinely fight his corner to protect the good of the team, to demand players in certain positions and to throw the dummy out of the pram when he has to. Pardew's too busy wiping Mikes jizz from his lips to worry about shit like that. The difference is I believe he is trying to convince Ashley to spend when he can. I believe that, you choose to believe something else, the truth is that nobody has a fucking clue. The feeling I get from Pardew is that he's quite a genuine guy, that's it really. I'm not saying he'll be able to make Ashley spend big, but nobody would be able to do that... and if they tried too hard they would have to resign. So, you don't think there's any truth in Golfmags post about the reasons he was appointed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. My point is Ian, I want someone with intergrity - not an obvious Ashley whelp. I want a manager who can genuinely fight his corner to protect the good of the team, to demand players in certain positions and to throw the dummy out of the pram when he has to. Pardew's too busy wiping Mikes jizz from his lips to worry about shit like that. The difference is I believe he is trying to convince Ashley to spend when he can. I believe that, you choose to believe something else, the truth is that nobody has a fucking clue. The feeling I get from Pardew is that he's quite a genuine guy, that's it really. I'm not saying he'll be able to make Ashley spend big, but nobody would be able to do that... and if they tried too hard they would have to resign. I've never seen anyone defend these cunts as staunchly as you do. What do you owe them? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. My point is Ian, I want someone with intergrity - not an obvious Ashley whelp. I want a manager who can genuinely fight his corner to protect the good of the team, to demand players in certain positions and to throw the dummy out of the pram when he has to. Pardew's too busy wiping Mikes jizz from his lips to worry about shit like that. The difference is I believe he is trying to convince Ashley to spend when he can. I believe that, you choose to believe something else, the truth is that nobody has a fucking clue. The feeling I get from Pardew is that he's quite a genuine guy, that's it really. I'm not saying he'll be able to make Ashley spend big, but nobody would be able to do that... and if they tried too hard they would have to resign. I've never seen anyone defend these cunts as staunchly as you do. What do you owe them? That's not an argument, so I won't dignify it with a response. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. My point is Ian, I want someone with intergrity - not an obvious Ashley whelp. I want a manager who can genuinely fight his corner to protect the good of the team, to demand players in certain positions and to throw the dummy out of the pram when he has to. Pardew's too busy wiping Mikes jizz from his lips to worry about shit like that. The difference is I believe he is trying to convince Ashley to spend when he can. I believe that, you choose to believe something else, the truth is that nobody has a fucking clue. The feeling I get from Pardew is that he's quite a genuine guy, that's it really. I'm not saying he'll be able to make Ashley spend big, but nobody would be able to do that... and if they tried too hard they would have to resign. So, you don't think there's any truth in Golfmags post about the reasons he was appointed? Maybe, I can't remember what the specific claims were TBH. If you mean because he's mates with Llambias and/or Ashley, then I don't think that means he can't perform his job as well as anyone could under their ownership. For me Pardew's reign has been pretty well all positives so far. I still hate the way Hughton was treated but I can't hold that against his replacement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. My point is Ian, I want someone with intergrity - not an obvious Ashley whelp. I want a manager who can genuinely fight his corner to protect the good of the team, to demand players in certain positions and to throw the dummy out of the pram when he has to. Pardew's too busy wiping Mikes jizz from his lips to worry about shit like that. The difference is I believe he is trying to convince Ashley to spend when he can. I believe that, you choose to believe something else, the truth is that nobody has a fucking clue. The feeling I get from Pardew is that he's quite a genuine guy, that's it really. I'm not saying he'll be able to make Ashley spend big, but nobody would be able to do that... and if they tried too hard they would have to resign. So, you don't think there's any truth in Golfmags post about the reasons he was appointed? Maybe, I can't remember what the specific claims were TBH. If you mean because he's mates with Llambias and/or Ashley, then I don't think that means he can't perform his job as well as anyone could under their ownership. For me Pardew's reign has been pretty well all positives so far. I still hate the way Hughton was treated but I can't hold that against his replacement. Remuneration based on reducing operating costs e.g. the wage bill. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 How much do you want our manager to disagree with our owner? Too much and it leads to chaos and resignation. I'm convinced he's trying to convince Ashley to sanction as many signings as possible, beyond that I don't expect much else. My point is Ian, I want someone with intergrity - not an obvious Ashley whelp. I want a manager who can genuinely fight his corner to protect the good of the team, to demand players in certain positions and to throw the dummy out of the pram when he has to. Pardew's too busy wiping Mikes jizz from his lips to worry about shit like that. The difference is I believe he is trying to convince Ashley to spend when he can. I believe that, you choose to believe something else, the truth is that nobody has a fucking clue. The feeling I get from Pardew is that he's quite a genuine guy, that's it really. I'm not saying he'll be able to make Ashley spend big, but nobody would be able to do that... and if they tried too hard they would have to resign. So, you don't think there's any truth in Golfmags post about the reasons he was appointed? Maybe, I can't remember what the specific claims were TBH. If you mean because he's mates with Llambias and/or Ashley, then I don't think that means he can't perform his job as well as anyone could under their ownership. For me Pardew's reign has been pretty well all positives so far. I still hate the way Hughton was treated but I can't hold that against his replacement. We'll have to disagree on that front - selling AC, not being able to get the owner to invest more than tuppence haypenny to date and his constant bullshit make me think he'll be found out by everyone bar those with rose coloured specs on quite quickly. His inability to get the owner to strengthen where the team needs will cost him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 No manager could have stopped Ashley selling Carroll for that fee (or at least no manager that Ashley would employ). Fair enough, he could have resigned in protest. We could do with strengthening more, and as you (Minhosa) say he will be held responsible for our results. I just don't think our relatively low level of spending is anything to do with him. As for bonuses for reducing the wage bill etc, I can't prove that isn't true but I'm very sceptical that Pardew (or most modern managers) have that level of input into players' contracts and the general financial management side of things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 No manager could have stopped Ashley selling Carroll for that fee (or at least no manager that Ashley would employ). Fair enough, he could have resigned in protest. We could do with strengthening more, and as you (Minhosa) say he will be held responsible for our results. I just don't think our relatively low level of spending is anything to do with him. As for bonuses for reducing the wage bill etc, I can't prove that isn't true but I'm very sceptical that Pardew (or most modern managers) have that level of input into players' contracts and the general financial management side of things. His job will be turn out whatever team is there after a window and in return he'll get some form of bonus for towing the party line. It's the not the AC sale for the fee, it's the bullshit (from him) about what we would do with the fee and his inability to influence the board. There's a few good reasons why he'll not quit; 1) He's on a cut. 2) He's got no integrity in top level football. 3) He'll never get a gig this big again - he only got this one because he's a sympathiser. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 He was hardly going to say "yes, I've been angling after Chris Hughton's job for weeks". Anyway, surely the club is wise to line up a replacement for Hughton if they know they're going to sack him - would be much worse to fire him and not have any idea who would be coming in. They had known for months they were going to sack him and Alan Pardew is the best they could come up with? Bollocks. His apppintment, and the reasons for it, are obvious. They might have spent more and appointed Jol and still got worse results. Do you really think Jol would want to work for those two? Or any self respecting manager? There's a few good reasons no other cunt was in for the job. My point was he's done okay results wise, there's no guarantee a big name would necessarily have done better. My point was a big name was never in the frame. They could have been offered Wenger, Ferguson and Mourinho and it wouldn't have mattered. They wanted a yes man. As long as the yes man produces results on the pitch I'm not arsed. Ashley is tight with his money but I read an interview with Beardsley in today's chronicle where he was over the moon the reserves were being allowed to go on tour in Holland. Great gesture IMO, at least Ashley's been prepared to spend some money on the younger players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 What the hell is Pardew supposed to say. He is the only one of the club hierachy thats talking, and he has the least influence. He has done a very good job up to yet, both on the pitch and in the media and i fail to see how any other manager could have done better without getting his wrists slapped or even worse booted out. What is he supposed to say 'We will not spend all the money the board are tight and Ashley wants his money back'. Whilst probably true, he would get hung drawn and quartered by the board for that and it would only increase negativity around the owner. There is no point winging about what he has to say about finances as he has the least control out of the 3 big guns (MA, DL, AP). Give him a break ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted July 18, 2011 Share Posted July 18, 2011 No manager could have stopped Ashley selling Carroll for that fee (or at least no manager that Ashley would employ). Fair enough, he could have resigned in protest. We could do with strengthening more, and as you (Minhosa) say he will be held responsible for our results. I just don't think our relatively low level of spending is anything to do with him. As for bonuses for reducing the wage bill etc, I can't prove that isn't true but I'm very sceptical that Pardew (or most modern managers) have that level of input into players' contracts and the general financial management side of things. His job will be turn out whatever team is there after a window and in return he'll get some form of bonus for towing the party line. It's the not the AC sale for the fee, it's the bullshit (from him) about what we would do with the fee and his inability to influence the board. There's a few good reasons why he'll not quit; 1) He's on a cut. 2) He's got no integrity in top level football. 3) He'll never get a gig this big again - he only got this one because he's a sympathiser. Any or none of those might be right, I've no idea TBH. This job is certainly a big opportunity for him. I don't really want him to resign though, what would that achieve? More managerial chaos at SJP. While Ashley is in charge we may as well have a manager who will do his best in the conditions he's given to work with. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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