Mick Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 If plan A doesn't work we're in the shit because plan B hasn't reached the drawing board yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I'm clutching at straws but even if he was planning to change, do you think he'd announce it at his press conference? "Well the 4-4-2 isn't working, so here's a detailed rundown of how we're going to set up against Bolton. Don't worry, I'll fax this to Owen Coyle too" Hmm yeah, that is another way to look at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
M4 Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Standard 4-4-2 is such an outdated tactic and teams that play 3 in the middle easily take advantage of it. Depends what players you have to play it. Obviously having two wingers that bring virtually nothing offensively is not going to help it work. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I believe there is reason to start swapping players and formation if necessary Alan. The reason is you're a football manager and your team's not playing very well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Saying in the press conference he isn't going to panic and make changes to our shape, style etc. The rigid 4-4-2, with zero movement and aerial bombardment for 90 minutes is the way to go obviously 80's English football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lush Vlad Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 I'm clutching at straws but even if he was planning to change, do you think he'd announce it at his press conference? "Well the 4-4-2 isn't working, so here's a detailed rundown of how we're going to set up against Bolton. Don't worry, I'll fax this to Owen Coyle too" Yeah, same as the Obertan thing though. I don't want him to totally slate him in public and say how shite he's been, but saying he's been fantastic is just outrageous. Somewhere in the middle would have sufficed. To counter what you say, he could have come out with "we WAS a bit lacking in certain areas last night. I'm toying with the idea of tinkering with our shape slightly and maybe making one or two changes." Then gives Bolton more to think about. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 A sanguine Pardew is not minded to panic. "We're talking about the need for tweaks rather than surgery," he said on Thursday. The previous night his players had lost 3-2 to West Bromwich Albion at home but Newcastle's manager was not about to let it ruin Christmas. "A little bit of luck seems to have deserted us but I said all along that adversity was going to come our way at some point," he reflected. "Adversity always comes but it's dealing with it in the right manner that matters. We're not as solid as we were but our problems are more structural than anything else; a few things need tweaking." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 A sanguine Pardew is not minded to panic. "We're talking about the need for tweaks rather than surgery," he said on Thursday. The previous night his players had lost 3-2 to West Bromwich Albion at home but Newcastle's manager was not about to let it ruin Christmas. "A little bit of luck seems to have deserted us but I said all along that adversity was going to come our way at some point," he reflected. "Adversity always comes but it's dealing with it in the right manner that matters. We're not as solid as we were but our problems are more structural than anything else; a few things need tweaking." That's more like it really. (It's a start anyway). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 What was supposed to be the formation when Shola came on? He looked to start off out right with HBA continuing upfront and then he joined HBA and Ba upfront leaving nobody on the right which hindered us in trying to stretch the game chasing the goal. After Shola came on I think it was a "loose" 4-3-3 - and we got the goal we were chasing (which was not much to do with Shola admittedly). Trouble is we conceded another one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Remove the right of middle part of our structure and replace it with a better piece from our workbench... etc. etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
quayside Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Remove the right of middle part of our structure and replace it with a better piece from our workbench... etc. etc. Indeed - or you could just shave 9 inches off the crossbar and the right hand post at the Leazes end and I think it would have worked out ok. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Starting to look really stupid now. Getting the starting line up and subs wrong time after time and explaining it post match in a provoking manner imo. Was sat at SJP for the Swansea and WBA games and witnessed him making the same simple mistakes which has cost us points against lesser teams. The frustrating bit is that he wont change his attitude and game plan. He wont drop players who don't perform and he wont give players the chance to shine in the most effective way. So, what does he expect? Of course it's not just Pardew. The players has to take some blame as well, especially Jonas, Obertan, Shola and Sammy for the last couple of games. Ryan Taylor also is an obvious shout before Swansea and WBA. They aren't performing. Not at all. Not nly that, but they wont even put in a shift and do whats best for the team. Some fucking way to keep your place and give something to the fans. And Pardew is responding in all the wrong ways. Christ. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest JS Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Starting to look really stupid now. Getting the starting line up and subs wrong time after time and explaining it post match in a provoking manner imo. Was sat at SJP for the Swansea and WBA games and witnessed him making the same simple mistakes which has cost us points against lesser teams. The frustrating bit is that he wont change his attitude and game plan. He wont drop players who don't perform and he wont give players the chance to shine in the most effective way. So, what does he expect? Of course it's not just Pardew. The players has to take some blame as well, especially Jonas, Obertan, Shola and Sammy for the last couple of games. Ryan Taylor also is an obvious shout before Swansea and WBA. They aren't performing. Not at all. Not nly that, but they wont even put in a shift and do whats best for the team. Some f***ing way to keep your place and give something to the fans. And Pardew is responding in all the wrong ways. Christ. Didn't a resident WH fan say something similar too? I think he's been an improvement on Hughton (sadly) and has done well so far bar the odd result, but I still dont think he's the answer to getting the best out of what we have either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Let's be fair, a manager's only job is to get the best out of his resources. Therefore none of us really expected any return from the games against Man U, Man City or Chelsea. To have got 1 point from games against paupers like Swansea, WBA and Norwich suggests those teams out-thought us comprehensively. One poor result is a blip. Three bad result against supposedly inferior opposition suggests it's the players not the manager who are getting the results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Starting to look really stupid now. Getting the starting line up and subs wrong time after time and explaining it post match in a provoking manner imo. Was sat at SJP for the Swansea and WBA games and witnessed him making the same simple mistakes which has cost us points against lesser teams. The frustrating bit is that he wont change his attitude and game plan. He wont drop players who don't perform and he wont give players the chance to shine in the most effective way. So, what does he expect? Of course it's not just Pardew. The players has to take some blame as well, especially Jonas, Obertan, Shola and Sammy for the last couple of games. Ryan Taylor also is an obvious shout before Swansea and WBA. They aren't performing. Not at all. Not nly that, but they wont even put in a shift and do whats best for the team. Some fucking way to keep your place and give something to the fans. And Pardew is responding in all the wrong ways. Christ. Shola and Sammy for the last couple of games? Give over man. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
eliassenfredrik Posted December 22, 2011 Share Posted December 22, 2011 Starting to look really stupid now. Getting the starting line up and subs wrong time after time and explaining it post match in a provoking manner imo. Was sat at SJP for the Swansea and WBA games and witnessed him making the same simple mistakes which has cost us points against lesser teams. The frustrating bit is that he wont change his attitude and game plan. He wont drop players who don't perform and he wont give players the chance to shine in the most effective way. So, what does he expect? Of course it's not just Pardew. The players has to take some blame as well, especially Jonas, Obertan, Shola and Sammy for the last couple of games. Ryan Taylor also is an obvious shout before Swansea and WBA. They aren't performing. Not at all. Not nly that, but they wont even put in a shift and do whats best for the team. Some f***ing way to keep your place and give something to the fans. And Pardew is responding in all the wrong ways. Christ. Shola and Sammy for the last couple of games? Give over man. Of course a bit harsh given the time they had on the pitch, but were still woeful. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Games where we scored atleast two goals previously resulted in: Wins at: Fulham, Blackburn, Wolves, Stoke, Everton Draw at: Tottenham. Defence is where our points are leaking, think the swansea game masked that via them barely attacking. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 7p from our next 4 games and Ill forgive him for fucking it up against WBA and Swansea. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Starting to look really stupid now. Getting the starting line up and subs wrong time after time and explaining it post match in a provoking manner imo. Was sat at SJP for the Swansea and WBA games and witnessed him making the same simple mistakes which has cost us points against lesser teams. The frustrating bit is that he wont change his attitude and game plan. He wont drop players who don't perform and he wont give players the chance to shine in the most effective way. So, what does he expect? Of course it's not just Pardew. The players has to take some blame as well, especially Jonas, Obertan, Shola and Sammy for the last couple of games. Ryan Taylor also is an obvious shout before Swansea and WBA. They aren't performing. Not at all. Not nly that, but they wont even put in a shift and do whats best for the team. Some f***ing way to keep your place and give something to the fans. And Pardew is responding in all the wrong ways. Christ. Shola and Sammy for the last couple of games? Give over man. Of course a bit harsh given the time they had on the pitch, but were still woeful. True enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Sammy was woeful for 8 minutes? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Woeful is harsh. Completely pointless sub though. Sammy needs to go on loan somewhere so he can develop. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ujpest doza Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 What was supposed to be the formation when Shola came on? He looked to start off out right with HBA continuing upfront and then he joined HBA and Ba upfront leaving nobody on the right which hindered us in trying to stretch the game chasing the goal. we went to a back 3 and pushed Simpson wide right. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted December 23, 2011 Share Posted December 23, 2011 Woeful is harsh. Completely pointless sub though. Sammy needs to go on loan somewhere so he can develop. Agreed. He's still much too raw atm, a loan will do him a lot of good. Sammy can't change games unfortunately. Mind you, he could cause some problems using his pace but that's it really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 I hope if he does another call in radio show he gets picked up on our current tactics. What are those Cabaye comments, "the manager said it will all change when I arrive, we play the ball across the ground"- seems like the only tactic we have is to punt high to Best and hope he can manage to knock it to Ba. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 26, 2011 Share Posted December 26, 2011 Pardew for England, please. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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