The Prophet Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Here is an idea Alan. Drop Simpson and Obertan and replace them with Santon and Ben Arfa. Put Ferguson in at left-back, a position he has played for most of his life and he is left-footed, and rather than play Perch in the centre, play Abied who has demonstrated he has some modicrum of ability on the f***ing ball. Do that and instruct them to play football, give them some freedom to express themselves and the confidence to do so. Do that tonight and we wouldn't have been absoluteley battered. We might have lost but we would have given them a f***ing game. This was embarrassing tonight. We are much much better than this, we have better players who shouldn't be getting beaten 5-0. I wouldn't mind but these heavy defeats are not unusual under Pardew. Aye dropping members of settled back line for inexperienced kids who have barely kicked a ball all season and a lad out wide who would of done well to get a touch would of changed the nature of the game. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BONTEMPI Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Let's face it we've not played very well since the Man U match. Hopefully Tiote's return will see a return to form. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Have any of the top teams let in 4 or more goals 3 times in the league? You don't lose extra points in the table for conceding more than 4, unless they introduced that rule and I missed it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Have any of the top teams let in 4 or more goals 3 times in the league? Newcastle United. I originally had "other" in but took it out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Have any of the top teams let in 4 or more goals 3 times in the league? You don't lose extra points in the table for conceding more than 4, unless they introduced that rule and I missed it. No, but our GD is lots worse than the other teams we're currently competing with. Come the end of the season, the matches where we've not just been beaten but capitulated may cost us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Penn Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 What does a back line being "settled" count for if it's performing poorly? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Here is an idea Alan. Drop Simpson and Obertan and replace them with Santon and Ben Arfa. Put Ferguson in at left-back, a position he has played for most of his life and he is left-footed, and rather than play Perch in the centre, play Abied who has demonstrated he has some modicrum of ability on the f***ing ball. Do that and instruct them to play football, give them some freedom to express themselves and the confidence to do so. Do that tonight and we wouldn't have been absoluteley battered. We might have lost but we would have given them a f***ing game. This was embarrassing tonight. We are much much better than this, we have better players who shouldn't be getting beaten 5-0. I wouldn't mind but these heavy defeats are not unusual under Pardew. Aye dropping members of settled back line for inexperienced kids who have barely kicked a ball all season and a lad out wide who would of done well to get a touch would of changed the nature of the game. Ben Arfa would have had more joy in this game than in most due to how open the game was in terms of space and in terms of how attacking Spurs were. As for playing kids... if they are good enough they are old enough. Ferguson came on and did more in his cameo spell than Obertan did all game not only in an attacking sense but defensively too. Its a simple game. We are a lopsided side especially on the flanks and that's down to team selection. We actually have the players to give us not only the balance but also the quality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Have any of the top teams let in 4 or more goals 3 times in the league? You don't lose extra points in the table for conceding more than 4, unless they introduced that rule and I missed it. No, but our GD is lots worse than the other teams we're currently competing with. Come the end of the season, the matches where we've not just been beaten but capitulated may cost us. And as Wullie pointed out, every team other than Man City has been royally fucked once this season. We've not lost any other games by a margin like this. It's only cause for concern if it happens frequently imo. The Fulham game, alright. The Chelsea (h) game was incredibly unfortunate (hit woodwork, 2 key injuries, shit refereeing decision) and I'm choosing not to count that. Today. I can't really recall anymore 'tonkings'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 You don't lose extra points in the table for conceding more than 4, unless they introduced that rule and I missed it. I can't remember anybody saying that you did lose extra points for conceding more than 4, I just remember it being commented on that "every side in the top seven other than Man City has also taken a considerable kicking." I wondered if any of the others had done it as often as we have, I can only guess they haven't so I don’t see why it should be made to look like its one game in isolation like it probably has been with the other top teams who have mainly been well beaten by Man City or Man U. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Here is an idea Alan. Drop Simpson and Obertan and replace them with Santon and Ben Arfa. Put Ferguson in at left-back, a position he has played for most of his life and he is left-footed, and rather than play Perch in the centre, play Abied who has demonstrated he has some modicrum of ability on the f***ing ball. Do that and instruct them to play football, give them some freedom to express themselves and the confidence to do so. Do that tonight and we wouldn't have been absoluteley battered. We might have lost but we would have given them a f***ing game. This was embarrassing tonight. We are much much better than this, we have better players who shouldn't be getting beaten 5-0. I wouldn't mind but these heavy defeats are not unusual under Pardew. Aye dropping members of settled back line for inexperienced kids who have barely kicked a ball all season and a lad out wide who would of done well to get a touch would of changed the nature of the game. Cant see it being any worst, since spurs took their pedal off the gas after 5 goals. Giving some of those kids PL experience seems pretty fair imo. Perch ,Simpson,loven i dont know why we are sticking with them when they are clearly surplus to requirements and likely shipped out soon. Obertan is a headache though.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Have any of the top teams let in 4 or more goals 3 times in the league? You don't lose extra points in the table for conceding more than 4, unless they introduced that rule and I missed it. No, but our GD is lots worse than the other teams we're currently competing with. Come the end of the season, the matches where we've not just been beaten but capitulated may cost us. And as Wullie pointed out, every team other than Man City has been royally fucked once this season. We've not lost any other games by a margin like this. It's only cause for concern if it happens frequently imo. The Fulham game, alright. The Chelsea (h) game was incredibly unfortunate (hit woodwork, 2 key injuries, shit refereeing decision) and I'm choosing not to count that. Today. I can't really recall anymore 'tonkings'. Conceding seven goals to Norwich and West Brom (the latter being at home) didn't help. We just seem to collapse at times, our confidence seems brittle. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Have any of the top teams let in 4 or more goals 3 times in the league? You don't lose extra points in the table for conceding more than 4, unless they introduced that rule and I missed it. No, but our GD is lots worse than the other teams we're currently competing with. Come the end of the season, the matches where we've not just been beaten but capitulated may cost us. And as Wullie pointed out, every team other than Man City has been royally fucked once this season. We've not lost any other games by a margin like this. It's only cause for concern if it happens frequently imo. The Fulham game, alright. The Chelsea (h) game was incredibly unfortunate (hit woodwork, 2 key injuries, shit refereeing decision) and I'm choosing not to count that. Today. I can't really recall anymore 'tonkings'. Conceding seven goals to Norwich and West Brom (the latter being at home) didn't help. We just seem to collapse at times, our confidence seems brittle. The Norwich game was the morning after the night before re: the Chelsea game. Four full-backs in defence, hands were tied somewhat. Agree about the WBA game though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 "They were very good and we had a problem today. We've got three of our first-choice midfield out and that was just too much." tiote , cabaye, who's the other one? Marveaux? really pards? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
healthyaddiction Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 "They were very good and we had a problem today. We've got three of our first-choice midfield out and that was just too much." tiote , cabaye, who's the other one? Marveaux? really pards? Ryan Taylor sadly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 "They were very good and we had a problem today. We've got three of our first-choice midfield out and that was just too much." tiote , cabaye, who's the other one? Marveaux? really pards? Ryan Taylor. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 "They were very good and we had a problem today. We've got three of our first-choice midfield out and that was just too much." tiote , cabaye, who's the other one? Marveaux? really pards? Ryan Taylor sadly. lol Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Settled back line? It's been a glaring liability since the Saylor injury. All this Ben Arfa talk is a bit of a red herring. Yes I would have liked to have seen him brought on. It wouldn't have changed the outcome dastically if he had started though tbh. The fact that championship players standard players regularly make up 50-75% of our defense shows me where the real worry lies. Pardew mind.... http://t0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQS_RDIpOJKP36EFo5ATILo4ca-LTeQMkVAB7B1tR2xaO4GpHO-IQ ...has to be said. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Even the QPR home game, first twenty minutes, they could have been out of sight. Results have certainly masked performances at times, you've got to give the manager credit for that in Tiote's absence but you've also got to say that something like today has been coming. I think that's fair. The most important thing for me is how we react in the Wolves game, though. If we're consistently winning games that we 'should' win, then we can afford to lose to the likes of Spurs. I'm not saying for one minute that the performance or result was remotely acceptable today, btw. I think we should be okay against Wolves, we've shown in other games against poor sides that we can play badly but still come up with the points due to the fact we've got strikers who can win games. It's totally different to playing a side like Spurs who will punish a side that can't pass and hold the ball. Spurs embarrassed us with their fast passing and pace. Against Wolves it will just be two hoofball sides so we'll get the ball back easier when we give it away. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Dontooner Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Got dicked today but let's no kid ourselves that replacing Obertan with Ben Arfa would have changed the result. We were out of the game after 6 minutes. Not about to start pissing my knickers because of today either. We got dicked, we move on and look to take 6 points from Wolves and the mackems. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. We've not been out of the top seven all season. We were a Championship side two years ago. Kindly go and boil your head. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 It was actually quite funny watching us making subs to shore the game up when we were 4-0 down. Do you think Pardew got it backwards? Usually the away side starts off with a cautious selection then brings on attacking subs to try and nick a win or a defender to try and hold a lead. As a tactical masterplan it was like trying to plug the hole in the titanic with a piece of chewing gum Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
captainhaircut Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 The criticism over him saying we were missing Ryan Taylor is a bit stupid. He's played loads of games this season and played a key role. Whether you rate him or not, the point Pardew was making about him being in the team if he was fit is a valid one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 11, 2012 Share Posted February 11, 2012 Omg Ryan Taylor... Please Ashely , hope you witness this game today and scout a better manager at the end of the season, it fairly obviously we lost this game so badly because of the sheer quality difference at the helm. Lol Ryan taylor just confirms "Hoof and Cross Pardew" for me. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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