Alan Pardew

[Guest ToonZA]

I think the Pardew bashing was totally understandable tbh.

 

Calling our manager - who's done a bloody good job - a c*** is understandable?

 

I think I have called many a Newcastle manager a c**** with the exception of Sir Bobby, more so KK and perhaps Hughton. Most of the time I believe they deserved it. Think Pardew got a couple during the Norwich game (a), the Swansea game (h) and Norwich (h) for closing shop and then taking HBA off. I think under the circumstances they were quite understandable. He wont be getting any more if we continue WBA style or if the circumstances dictate a more subdued and conservative approach.

 

 

That really does say it all. Pathetic.

 

Geez didnt think you were the sensitive type. Thousand apologies to you and Mr Pardew

[Ronaldo]

Before the Norwich game we'd won 7, drawn 5 and lost 2 (against City and Chelsea) and were in 5th place, and it's acceptable to call Pardew a cunt for taking Ben Arfa off too soon?

 

No better than the idiot who wrote Cabaye and Ba off as 'crap' during the Arsenal game at SJP. Thank Christ every fan isn't like that, or we'd be playing in the Conference.

[Foluwashola]

I'm sure you've labelled 50% of our team "cunts" in the past 

[Guest ToonZA]

I was referring to Norwich game (h) when he shut up shop, hoofed like hell and took HBA off. You getting all worked up by someone calling the manager a c***. Were you not upset at what was served up on the pitch that day? Because if you werent then why bother watching the matches?? might as well just buy the paper the next day to see the result and forget everything that went before it.

 

As I have said on more than one occassion, If Sunday was anything to go by, then I am very happy with the direction Pardew is going and give him credit for setting the team up in the manner he did. But I am not gonna be happy if we start hoofing, unless the situation and personell dictate as much.

[Dr Venkman]

I'm sure you've labelled 50% of our team "cunts" in the past 

 

This is different.

[Guest ToonZA]

Besides, only called him that word on this board once (Norwich [h]), the other times were in the comfort and privacy of my own home. Surely you can forgive me that without calling me "pathetic" ? 

 

 

[Hughesy]

It is pretty pathetic.

[Ronaldo]

I'm sure you've labelled 50% of our team "c***s" in the past 

 

When they haven't done their jobs and/or acted like complete cunts, absolutely.

[Stu]

I was referring to Norwich game (h) when he shut up shop, hoofed like hell and took HBA off. You getting all worked up by someone calling the manager a c***. Were you not upset at what was served up on the pitch that day? Because if you werent then why bother watching the matches?? might as well just buy the paper the next day to see the result and forget everything that went before it.

 

As I have said on more than one occassion, If Sunday was anything to go by, then I am very happy with the direction Pardew is going and give him credit for setting the team up in the manner he did. But I am not gonna be happy if we start hoofing, unless the situation and personell dictate as much.

 

 

Being upset at winning

[Ronaldo]

The game may have been pretty crap but I was absolutely delighted at full time and for the rest of the day.

[The Prophet]

I was referring to Norwich game (h) when he shut up shop, hoofed like hell and took HBA off. You getting all worked up by someone calling the manager a c***. Were you not upset at what was served up on the pitch that day? Because if you werent then why bother watching the matches?? might as well just buy the paper the next day to see the result and forget everything that went before it.

 

As I have said on more than one occassion, If Sunday was anything to go by, then I am very happy with the direction Pardew is going and give him credit for setting the team up in the manner he did. But I am not gonna be happy if we start hoofing, unless the situation and personell dictate as much.

 

I was over the moon with the Norwich result because we needed it so badly. We were a side with no confidence following two points from a possible twelve, we weren't going to suddenly turn it on without a result under our belts.

[Stu]

Don't be silly, he took HBA off!

[mrmojorisin75]

Yep I wasn't happy with the man's apparent ability, and to be honest it has still taken him this long to attempt what to most of us seems a very obvious square pegs to square holes solution. That he chose to do this in an away game was a bit baffling, but hey I'm a lot happier now that he has seemed to have grown a pair in finally taking that decision. This is a new side to Alan Pardew and I'm happy to see how he develops, he's showing something now that he hasn't shown before.

 

I honestly think he or someone close to him reads what is written about him, because I've noticed several times when a few people are chiming with the same chords on here, there seems to be a reaction on the pitch. For what it's worth, I still don't think based on evidence so far that he's going to be as successful as Sir Bobby or KK; he is limited and is being flattered by the personal available to him. That said, he isn't royally screwing it up, and we could do with a bit of stability right now and a couple of seasons challenging in and around 6th I think is exactly what we need.

 

Happy to bide time with him and see what happens, if this new side to Alan Pardew progresses.

 

 

He's nae Mourinho but in the summer he pointedly came out and said that he wanted to introduce his new style of football which is why he'd started bringing in the players he did. That we started the campaign with a couple of key players (a LB, HBA, another attacker) not available for selection somewhat forced him to continue with the existing methodology - make the team hard to break down and exploit the attacking situations. It was effective, not exactly free-flowing football.

 

We came unstuck with the trio of difficult matches co-inciding with Colo's first injury and Saylor going down - two major losses and it told on the pitch as we dropped points in the three games after Man U/Man C/Chelsea.

 

Some people saw this as a sign of Pards' "luck" running out (many of these didn't/don't trust the man). Some saw it as a flaw in his managerial accumen, as he wasn't able to change things when we'd been "worked out". Some rode out the rough after so much (relative) smooth. We also had the distraction of a not fully fit HBA having to be integrated back into the side with the vast majority pinpointing him as our real flair player who would at least be exciting, if not match-winning.

 

We then lost Ba and Cabaye for a few matches (along with new signing Cisse) but stuck to the older methodology to grind out wins and points. We get howked off Fulham experimenting with the 4-3-3 (using Best and Shola instead of the first choice pair who were unavailable) - although the match isn't a total write-off as we were very good for 30-45mins at the start.

 

With the full squad almost back and more than enough points on the board to surpass this season's expectations, Pards can now begin to 'experiment' with his chosen formation and the best players playing (injury permitting). The last 60mins of Wolves was a shambles, but every team has it's off day and there were extenuating circumstances (to some extent) and we battered the mackems for 45minutes before losing to a last gasp Arsenal goal at the Emirates.

 

In any league, going without a win for 4/5 games is tough, so that's why the emphasis was placed on securing the 3pts against Norwich. The press have stopped dropping our name into Champs League talk (thankfully) and it looks as though Europa League is going to be out of our hands - all we can do is use the last 8 games to find our 'best' set-up and get as many points as possible so we set the standard for next season, but without having any real pressure on us.

 

I don't see this as a new side to Pardew, I see this as him doing what he originally set out to do: get enough points to secure safety (done by Xmas really), then kick on from there after seeing out the Jan transfer window. If anything, he's encouraging the development of our football at a quicker rate than he probably envisaged with us having the 'comfort' of such an expectation-surpassing opening 30 games. His critics/detractors will call this revisionist, but I he's either the luckiest man in the world or he's got half a brain.

 

howld on a minute here, isn't it a bit early to be assuming everything is gold?  we've had a great performance against west brom preceded by some horrible, horrible performances with the exact same players

 

might be worth seeing how we get on when we play liverpool and when another team comes to SJP and shuts up shop meaning the onus is on us to open them up before you start facepalming and congratulating yourself

 

 

[cubaricho]

This is one of the most depressing threads to read through on this board.

 

Very few people come out of this thread with any class.

[mrmojorisin75]

This is one of the most depressing threads to read through on this board.

 

Very few people come out of this thread with any class.

 

wrong board sunshine, here you go: www.readytogo.net/

 

 

[Stu]

Yep I wasn't happy with the man's apparent ability, and to be honest it has still taken him this long to attempt what to most of us seems a very obvious square pegs to square holes solution. That he chose to do this in an away game was a bit baffling, but hey I'm a lot happier now that he has seemed to have grown a pair in finally taking that decision. This is a new side to Alan Pardew and I'm happy to see how he develops, he's showing something now that he hasn't shown before.

 

I honestly think he or someone close to him reads what is written about him, because I've noticed several times when a few people are chiming with the same chords on here, there seems to be a reaction on the pitch. For what it's worth, I still don't think based on evidence so far that he's going to be as successful as Sir Bobby or KK; he is limited and is being flattered by the personal available to him. That said, he isn't royally screwing it up, and we could do with a bit of stability right now and a couple of seasons challenging in and around 6th I think is exactly what we need.

 

Happy to bide time with him and see what happens, if this new side to Alan Pardew progresses.

 

 

He's nae Mourinho but in the summer he pointedly came out and said that he wanted to introduce his new style of football which is why he'd started bringing in the players he did. That we started the campaign with a couple of key players (a LB, HBA, another attacker) not available for selection somewhat forced him to continue with the existing methodology - make the team hard to break down and exploit the attacking situations. It was effective, not exactly free-flowing football.

 

We came unstuck with the trio of difficult matches co-inciding with Colo's first injury and Saylor going down - two major losses and it told on the pitch as we dropped points in the three games after Man U/Man C/Chelsea.

 

Some people saw this as a sign of Pards' "luck" running out (many of these didn't/don't trust the man). Some saw it as a flaw in his managerial accumen, as he wasn't able to change things when we'd been "worked out". Some rode out the rough after so much (relative) smooth. We also had the distraction of a not fully fit HBA having to be integrated back into the side with the vast majority pinpointing him as our real flair player who would at least be exciting, if not match-winning.

 

We then lost Ba and Cabaye for a few matches (along with new signing Cisse) but stuck to the older methodology to grind out wins and points. We get howked off Fulham experimenting with the 4-3-3 (using Best and Shola instead of the first choice pair who were unavailable) - although the match isn't a total write-off as we were very good for 30-45mins at the start.

 

With the full squad almost back and more than enough points on the board to surpass this season's expectations, Pards can now begin to 'experiment' with his chosen formation and the best players playing (injury permitting). The last 60mins of Wolves was a shambles, but every team has it's off day and there were extenuating circumstances (to some extent) and we battered the mackems for 45minutes before losing to a last gasp Arsenal goal at the Emirates.

 

In any league, going without a win for 4/5 games is tough, so that's why the emphasis was placed on securing the 3pts against Norwich. The press have stopped dropping our name into Champs League talk (thankfully) and it looks as though Europa League is going to be out of our hands - all we can do is use the last 8 games to find our 'best' set-up and get as many points as possible so we set the standard for next season, but without having any real pressure on us.

 

I don't see this as a new side to Pardew, I see this as him doing what he originally set out to do: get enough points to secure safety (done by Xmas really), then kick on from there after seeing out the Jan transfer window. If anything, he's encouraging the development of our football at a quicker rate than he probably envisaged with us having the 'comfort' of such an expectation-surpassing opening 30 games. His critics/detractors will call this revisionist, but I he's either the luckiest man in the world or he's got half a brain.

 

howld on a minute here, isn't it a bit early to be assuming everything is gold?  we've had a great performance against west brom preceded by some horrible, horrible performances with the exact same players

 

might be worth seeing how we get on when we play liverpool and when another team comes to SJP and shuts up shop meaning the onus is on us to open them up before you start facepalming and congratulating yourself

 

 

 

Not at all, I'm of the opinion that this season's target was to be comfortably in the top half (achieved, barring disaster) and start to integrate the 'new' system once the newcomers were settled and the points were on board.

 

That we're starting to play better football so soon is a blessing.

[Heron]

Are people still whinging about Pards?

 

Seriously, get a fucking life. 

[Darth Crooks]

I think most people who provide criticisms just want variation in the setup when we seem stagnant in games. Baggies game was a real positive in tems of that. Bar a few I think most of the criticisms haven't been THAT bad.

[Guest bimpy474]

Are people still whinging about Pards?

 

Seriously, get a fucking life. 

 

Unimpossible, we have no life, its why we are on here like

[Heron]

I haven't read hardly any of the recent posts tbf. I just figured it was quicker to ask. I just hope we go at Liverpool on Sunday because attack WILL be our best form of defense. Pards knows what he is doing though.

[Ronaldo]

Pards is a man of men. He'll do it.

[STM]

Fucking love Pards me like.

[Guest bimpy474]

I haven't read hardly any of the recent posts tbf. I just figured it was quicker to ask. I just hope we go at Liverpool on Sunday because attack WILL be our best form of defense. Pards knows what he is doing though.

 

Aye , i think what some including me dont like is the long ball stuff, when you look at the first half against WBA you cant understand the hoofball in previous games, sometimes i think Pards trys to be little too clever, the direct ball against Man Utd worked, he kind of stuck with it for a while.

 

Problem on here is we have little middle ground, if you point out Pards has made a mistake your pounced on as a hater, and vice versa, i'm happy enough with him, christ some Man Utd fans moan about Fergie despite all their success, and not long ago Arsenal fans wanted a change from Wenger.

 

Everyone will not be happy all of the time...life i guess.

[Heron]

Fair dues.

[Penn]

From another forum:

 

Just got back from a talk in with Pards at Dunston Fed tonight. Some key things he said

 

- We are more or less there with player and club in getting a top quality CB in in the summer. Obviously didn't say who it was though but he was very confident.

 

- Andy Carroll sat down and told Pardew that he wanted to leave on that day when the £35m bid came in. Pardew blames his agent. Something interesting Pardew said was that if a player is anything less than 100% committed to the club then as long as the price is right they will be allowed to leave and we'll just go out and get someone better. He says there's a huge difference between a player being 90% committed and 100% committed and he only wants players who are 100% committed at the club.

 

- Pardew really regrets that Enrique had to leave. He said that the scars with the regime were too deep for him to fix but losing him was a hammer blow. Santon was brought in as a young defender and we've just muddled through at LB this season.

 

- Coloccini and Tiote are the two most influential and important players. Colo for obvious reasons, calming influence etc. Tiote because he goes absolutely all out every time he plays, including in training where he has been known to 'smash' Dan Gosling and Cabaye

Incidentally Tiote is training tomorrow and he's very hopeful he'll be available for Sunday.

 

- He's really concerned about Sunday because he really isn't sure on what the Liverpool team will be. Usually he has a good idea but this time he isn't sure so he thinks the subs will play a vital role.

 

- We tried to sign Oxlade-Chaimberlain but couldn't afford him.

 

- There is a big problem with the attitude of youth players. Young players come in and think they've made it when in reality they're a million miles away. That's why so many have been released this year.

 

- Demba Ba is not interested in the money and, although he's worried he might leave, he really thinks the fans could have a huge part to play in making him stay. He has got a release clause in his contract but Pardew says that he thinks Demba might stay. Having said that the club are making contingency plans in the event that the likes of him and Tiote want to leave.

 

- HBA is the best player he has ever worked with (including Tevez) but he is immensely difficult to manage as he is such a complex character. He has given him a lot of time to recover from his injury and to get used to the game and now is the time for him to shine. Really positive stuff on HBA.

 

All in all it was really good and he said some very interesting stuff. He comes across as really intelligent, very committed and proud to be manager. Really diligent and he clearly wants to do his best. He has a lot of self confidence.

 

He absolutely loves Demba. Says he is an exemplary person as well as a truly top class player. Basically the club didn't give Demba the contract he wanted so had to insert this release clause to get him to sign. But he pointed out that any club that want him will still have to stump up a lot of money and he would still have to pass a medical. He wants the fans to just keep telling him how much we love him and he thinks that will hold a big sway in whether he stays. Clearly we are vulnerable to him leaving though.

 

He also praised John Carver and Lee Charnley. As well as Graham Carr. He said that at the moment, Mike Ashley has got a hell of a lot of money and is sitting back and really taking a back seat while the other key people run things. But ultimately MA has the say because he is the man with the money. But he thinks Ashley is starting to enjoy things more and really get into it again.

 

The young player thing was really interesting. He said himself that his non-league upbringing is absolutely vital to him in that it taught him the game and taught him what it means etc. He thinks young players these days just don't have that attitude. They come in talented and think they've made it. And as a result they don't try hard and they don't have the hunger to succeed that they need to make it in the professional game. He said that that is the one thing about professional football that really irritates him. The attitudes of the young players.