Alan Pardew

[johnnypd]

Pretty sure Marveaux did not play in the latter stages of his time at Rennes because they knew he was going. Not a false statement.

 

Nope. He resumed training at the end of the season and was available for selection in the very last game. one single game. Marveaux himself said that. Not sure this where this idea that he missed games due to a contract dispute is coming from - it's just absolutely wrong.

 

this is the quote that was reported:

 

"I resumed individual training sessions at Rennes late last season and I could have played the last match if the club wanted."

 

http://www.tribalfootball.com/articles/newcastle-signing-marveaux-disgusted-liverpool-failed-medical-claims-1703881

 

 

[TherealnorthernTOON]

I'll hand out knives outside of St.James for everyone who wants to cut their wrists tomorrow. Seriously, there is two months left of the transferwindow, and people are making doom of things allready? Could I ask why?

[Baggio]

Who will play right back if Simpson gets injured?

 

Perch.

 

Who will we have to fall back on if Coloccini gets injured? Firstly Taylor and Williamson don't look at all complimentary as players, and what do we have behind these three options? One injury to one of our CB's (especially Colo) and we are in a spot of bother..

 

I don't remember Taylor and Williamson partnering each other off the top of my head to comment on them as a pairing, I presume Kadar will step up.

 

Who will replace Enrique effectively if he leaves or gets injured? We have not had decent cover at left back for years.. An injury, and one of our strongest position instantly becomes a glaring weakness on the team sheet

 

Neil Taylor looks like he's being brought in as back up.

 

Who have we got to take over Tiote's role if he gets injured, or even during the African Cup of Nations..?

 

Nobody that plays the defensive role but one of Barton, Guthrie, Smith or Gosling will fill in.

 

......

 

Now I'm not advocating that Perch or Smith should be relied on as back up because they shouldn't, however they are here taking a wage and I don't see the club allowing them to stay without being apart of the clubs 25 man squad, a number that's practically at it's limit. Which is why I think the 2 players he's talking about is on top of what we've got, then anyone else will be replaced 1 for 1 with hopefully upgrades to improve the first team or squad.

 

We know the club have been drip feeding stories to the local press about players being told they can leave and the hope is that if we can shift them that we will bring in better players as replacements, fingers crossed that the market starts picking up now clubs are starting pre season training and that we can move the dead wood on.

[Unbelievable]

Who will play right back if Simpson gets injured?

 

Perch.

 

Who will we have to fall back on if Coloccini gets injured? Firstly Taylor and Williamson don't look at all complimentary as players, and what do we have behind these three options? One injury to one of our CB's (especially Colo) and we are in a spot of bother..

 

I don't remember Taylor and Williamson partnering each other off the top of my head to comment on them as a pairing, I presume Kadar will step up.

 

Who will replace Enrique effectively if he leaves or gets injured? We have not had decent cover at left back for years.. An injury, and one of our strongest position instantly becomes a glaring weakness on the team sheet

 

Neil Taylor looks like he's being brought in as back up.

 

Who have we got to take over Tiote's role if he gets injured, or even during the African Cup of Nations..?

 

Nobody that plays the defensive role but one of Barton, Guthrie, Smith or Gosling will fill in.

 

......

 

Now I'm not advocating that Perch or Smith should be relied on as back up because they shouldn't, however they are here taking a wage and I don't see the club allowing them to stay without being apart of the clubs 25 man squad, a number that's practically at it's limit. Which is why I think the 2 players he's talking about is on top of what we've got, then anyone else will be replaced 1 for 1 with hopefully upgrades to improve the first team or squad.

 

We know the club have been drip feeding stories to the local press about players being told they can leave and the hope is that if we can shift them that we will bring in better players as replacements, fingers crossed that the market starts picking up now clubs are starting pre season training and that we can move the dead wood on.

 

So that's Perch (s***), Kadar (promising but extremely injury prone himself), Naylor (if he signs; played at Conference level under a year ago) and "nobody"/Smith..

 

Enough said I think?

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

[Baggio]

Who will play right back if Simpson gets injured?

 

Perch.

 

Who will we have to fall back on if Coloccini gets injured? Firstly Taylor and Williamson don't look at all complimentary as players, and what do we have behind these three options? One injury to one of our CB's (especially Colo) and we are in a spot of bother..

 

I don't remember Taylor and Williamson partnering each other off the top of my head to comment on them as a pairing, I presume Kadar will step up.

 

Who will replace Enrique effectively if he leaves or gets injured? We have not had decent cover at left back for years.. An injury, and one of our strongest position instantly becomes a glaring weakness on the team sheet

 

Neil Taylor looks like he's being brought in as back up.

 

Who have we got to take over Tiote's role if he gets injured, or even during the African Cup of Nations..?

 

Nobody that plays the defensive role but one of Barton, Guthrie, Smith or Gosling will fill in.

 

......

 

Now I'm not advocating that Perch or Smith should be relied on as back up because they shouldn't, however they are here taking a wage and I don't see the club allowing them to stay without being apart of the clubs 25 man squad, a number that's practically at it's limit. Which is why I think the 2 players he's talking about is on top of what we've got, then anyone else will be replaced 1 for 1 with hopefully upgrades to improve the first team or squad.

 

We know the club have been drip feeding stories to the local press about players being told they can leave and the hope is that if we can shift them that we will bring in better players as replacements, fingers crossed that the market starts picking up now clubs are starting pre season training and that we can move the dead wood on.

 

So that's Perch (shit), Kadar (promising but extremely injury prone himself), Naylor (if he signs; played at Conference level under a year ago) and "nobody"/Smith..

 

Enough said I think?

 

If you read the rest of what I've said I've tried to explain my take on it.

 

Do you think the club would continue to pay Perch, Smith and Kadar while not even including them in the clubs 25 man squad?

 

I'm not sure what playing at conference level a year ago matters either.

[Unbelievable]

I'll hand out knives outside of St.James for everyone who wants to cut their wrists tomorrow. Seriously, there is two months left of the transferwindow, and people are making doom of things allready? Could I ask why?

 

Two very concrete things:

1) some very tangible, worrying quotes by Pardew (see above)

2) previous experience with Ashley & Co

 

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

[thomas]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? Vagueness may be irritating but it can serve a greater good.

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." 

[Baggio]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

[Baggio]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see? Vagueness may be irritating but it can serve a greater good.

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." 

 

If you start announcing that you need to shift players to free up space for replacements then people will know you're desperate, even Redknapp sidestepped the point by leaving it at he has to sell before he buys, the difference being people know we've brought in a large sum recently.

[Sifu]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Completely forgot about this!

[Unbelievable]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." 

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

[Baggio]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." 

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

[Unbelievable]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

[Unbelievable]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." 

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

[Baggio]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

[thomas]

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

Statements detailing the entirety of your plan around the first team however, are exceedingly rare.  In fact one feels that there must be a compelling reason no club or manager has ever released a whole statement like that.  

 

Regardless, it doesn't detract from your main overall point which is agreeable on the whole.  

[Baggio]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades." 

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

 

Links please.

[Unbelievable]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

 

To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?)

[Unbelievable]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades."  

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

 

Links please.

 

Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764

 

I will let you find the best examples yourself..

[Baggio]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

 

To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?)

 

We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them.

 

I've accepted it, perhaps you should too.

[oldtype]

Those quotes do look quite grim when put all together in one post.

 

I slowly feel that after several months on the "cautiously optimistic" side of things that my emotional pendulum might have begun to shift in the other direction.

 

I really am a fickle, emotional football fan, just like everyone else.

[Baggio]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades."  

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

 

Links please.

 

Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764

 

I will let you find the best examples yourself..

 

So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time.

[Unbelievable]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

 

To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?)

 

We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them.

 

I've accepted it, perhaps you should too.

 

I won't. There's the main difference between you and me in a nutshell. You will happily settle for mediocrity, whereas I will quite happily hold them to their promise or point out where they fail until the day they either accomplish in what should be their ambition with the club or the day they sell up and fuck off..

[Baggio]

Personally I have much more trouble understanding people who can't read the club's statements for what their worth and seemingly forget the past transfer window(s) fiascos every time a new one starts..

 

Like the 'no capital outlay this summer' quotes before we went out and signed Tiote and Ben Arfa?

 

Surely that should tell you not to jump to conclusions from quotes and statements.

 

Oh, I don't need to go back until the summer to find some quotes that have later been proved to be misleading, and I'm sure neither would you if you tried real hard to remember what happened in January..

 

Fact is there is no reason for these quotes or the one you just mentioned from last year other than to gradually lower our expectations. We spend what, 3 or 4 million last summer, on our return to the Premier League after being relegated the year before? Whoopifuckingdoo..

 

At the same time there's no need to say that they're trying to shift on dead wood to free up space for new players (if that is the case) if the only benefit of it is to stop people from spending all of their time on messageboards over analysing every comment to death.

 

To be honest, I sometimes think the people at the club should communicate more and better with the fans, but if all they can come out with is bollocks like this from Pardew it makes me wonder if we're all not better off if they just shut up and implemented their great "five year plan" in silence... (When are we supposed to be "challenging for everything" again Derek?)

 

We won't be challenging for anything major with the huge spenders about, we simply can't compete with them.

 

I've accepted it, perhaps you should too.

 

I won't. There's the main difference between you and me in a nutshell. You will happily settle for mediocrity, whereas I will quite happily hold them to their promise or point out where they fail until the day they either accomplish in what should be their ambition with the club or the day they sell up and fuck off..

 

It's not accepting mediocrity, it's simply being realistic.

 

The best we can hope for is a Uefa cup place and a good shot at one of the cups, if you think we're ever going to have a shot at the CL without massive outside investment anytime in the foreseeable future then you're completely deluding yourself.

[Unbelievable]

 

Also, if the club plan to shift the deadwood and only replace them if and when this happens, why not say so, rather than explicitly stating one or two players will come in?

Maybe it's not the best thing to announce all of your intentions for the world to see?

 

How would you phrase that statement about wanting to shift deadwood if you were Pardew? "Yeah we've got some absolute turd players here, we're looking to unload them on some unwitting saps.  Then we'll see about replacing them with upgrades."  

 

"We are looking to bring in one or two players who significantly strengthen important areas in our first team, and possibly a few promising youngsters who we would slowly blood in, depending on whether we can sell some of the current players on our books who have been told they don't have a future at the club"

 

Easy peasy Japanese..

 

Like the club would say that.

 

Has any other club released a statement like that?

 

Statements saying players have been told they don't have a future at a club happen all the time.

 

Links please.

 

Here's 36,6 million links for you: http://www.google.nl/search?q=told+he+has+no+future+at+the+club&hl=nl&client=safari&rls=en&prmd=ivns&ei=d2oOTuqYIovsObXp2KIL&start=40&sa=N&biw=1440&bih=764

 

I will let you find the best examples yourself..

 

So you can't find many then, despite them apparently happening all the time.

 

Seriously..? Have you never seen or heard an interview with a manager or a player where they mentioned somebody has no future at the club? Let me just give you one example that you should be able to recognise. Remember what Pardew had to say about Routledge when the club foolishly decided to let him leave the club on loan without bringing in a replacement (seems they weren't so worried about letting players go before bringing in new players strangely enough btw..):

 

Alan Pardew was speaking to BBC North East’s sports program, Total Sport:

 

“Well I think there are opportunities for players that come along and you have to weigh it up.” “I mean, was Wayne gonna be a long term first team player for us? and I don’t think he was.”

 

“QPR offered him that position, and I felt that is best for him and best for the club that we took that opportunity.” “You know, when you bring players in I think it’s important that they affect your first team.”

 

“There are occasions, and there will be, when I bring in a player to fill up the squad, so to speak.” “But you know, I just felt that the Wayne one was a deal that was right for him, more importantly, and right for us.”

 

“Because you have to sort of move on players to grow, and, you know, we have to get better than Wayne and that’s what we’re gonna aim to do.”