BlueStar Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The Arsenal 'model' relies solely on Arsene Wenger (with a previous nod to David Dein). We have nothing of the sort. It also relies on not selling your young talent as soon as they have a decent 3 months in the premier league. How come Arsenal still have Fabregas when for the past two years, at any time, they could have sold him for a fortune to Barca and replaced him with one of their promising youngsters? Can they not even follow their own model? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The Arsenal model relies solely on Arsene Wenger (and formerly David Dein). We have neither. Would it help you if i said - "aspire" to replicate arsenal/ajax model? You get the drift - we want to grow through youth/long term grow what? a team? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Aside from Chelsea and Man City, like every club in England then. Revolutionary. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Im not saying its right Im not saying its working My opinion is that its the aspiration of the owners to replicate a long term strategy. In the short term selling our "best" players to balance books. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Im not saying its right Im not saying its working My opinion is that its the aspiration of the owners to replicate a long term strategy. In the short term selling our "best" players to balance books. Fair comment. But what if rather than simply balancing the books, we post a significant profit? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Aside from Chelsea and Man City, like every club in England then. Revolutionary. Well we weren't doing it before Ashley, so it's pretty revolutionary for us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 As an aside and on the subject of aiming for Europe, as things stand at the moment would we even be allowed in under the football fair play rules? I know we're aiming towards a break even point in 2015, but if we qualify before then would we pass the financial tests, although I appreciate they don't apply yet. I think much of what Pardew says about being realistic about challenging for the top four is right, although the one thing that might change that in the medium term is these financial restrictions, if they are applied properly (I'm looking at you Man City and your £400m shirt sponsorship deal....). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Im not saying its right Im not saying its working My opinion is that its the aspiration of the owners to replicate a long term strategy. In the short term selling our "best" players to balance books. It's only become their strategy as it's the cheaper way of doing things. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Aside from Chelsea and Man City, like every club in England then. Revolutionary. Well we weren't doing it before Ashley, so it's pretty revolutionary for us. You must have missed the years Sir Bobby Robson was in charge. Unlucky. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BlueStar Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The "Arsenal Model" of reliance on internal youth development requires a higher level of competence to implement than the 'normal' way of running a football club and we've got even less of that at this club than we've got money. I don't really consider it to be a tactic that plays to our strengths. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Wally_McFool Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The "Arsenal model" also does not involve selling your best players willy nilly at the first opportunity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Willy Nilly is nowhere near our best player man Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Aside from Chelsea and Man City, like every club in England then. Revolutionary. Well we weren't doing it before Ashley, so it's pretty revolutionary for us. You must have missed the years Sir Bobby Robson was in charge. Unlucky. Fair point, we did some mental spending on shit players under a variety of other managers though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Antec Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 As an aside and on the subject of aiming for Europe, as things stand at the moment would we even be allowed in under the football fair play rules? I know we're aiming towards a break even point in 2015, but if we qualify before then would we pass the financial tests, although I appreciate they don't apply yet. I think much of what Pardew says about being realistic about challenging for the top four is right, although the one thing that might change that in the medium term is these financial restrictions, if they are applied properly (I'm looking at you Man City and your £400m shirt sponsorship deal....). He is right, I've not come across one single person who thinks otherwise Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The smile at work http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/feb2011/5/7/cheick-tiote-pictured-with-alan-pardew-307608639.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The smile at work http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/feb2011/5/7/cheick-tiote-pictured-with-alan-pardew-307608639.jpg Didn't think pardew was that tall? Or is it Tiote lifting his body weight using a mere handshake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The smile at work http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/feb2011/5/7/cheick-tiote-pictured-with-alan-pardew-307608639.jpg Didn't think pardew was that tall? Or is it Tiote lifting his body weight using a mere handshake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
OzzieMandias Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I remember Arsenal selling their then best striker to Real Madrid for a vast sum not that long ago. And it's definitely part of Levy's plan for Tottenham to sell players if an offer comes in that is vastly more than the club's valuation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 The smile at work http://images.icnetwork.co.uk/upl/nechronical/feb2011/5/7/cheick-tiote-pictured-with-alan-pardew-307608639.jpg Didn't think pardew was that tall? Or is it Tiote lifting his body weight using a mere handshake? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexthegreat Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 Selection of Pardew quotes from the last few days: We are putting out a team that has to excel because it is the only way we can compete. Any player who I put out on that pitch has to play above themselves.We did that last year, we lost Andy Carroll and we played above ourselves. When you have players in that situation you are vulnerable. We are almost in the identical situation as Arsenal. They are vulnerable. They have Fabregas and Nasri both of them being hunted by top clubs. And we have the same situation here. Im afraid that is the way it will always be until we are big enough and strong enough to compete with those top teams. We all know we arent near them at the moment. The problem is that where we are now financially means that we can never really fulfill the expectations of the fans. They have memories of European football but the gap is -getting bigger as the years go by. It is becoming difficult to compete with the top clubs, but that is not to say we cant compete at the level we are at. But we are always vulnerable to the bigger clubs, as Andy Carroll proved. That makes it difficult to ¬manage but not impossible. Mike Ashley and Derek Llambias made it quite clear the club needs to wipe its nose and ¬therefore we havent got investment above our income." Hes starting to annoy me a bit. I hate it when managers hide behind shortcomings in their squad. It normally means that your in the middle of a crisis and a change of manager isnt far off. I don't think Pardew will be going anywhere soon though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I remember Arsenal selling their then best striker to Real Madrid for a vast sum not that long ago. And it's definitely part of Levy's plan for Tottenham to sell players if an offer comes in that is vastly more than the club's valuation. Who? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I remember Arsenal selling their then best striker to Real Madrid for a vast sum not that long ago. And it's definitely part of Levy's plan for Tottenham to sell players if an offer comes in that is vastly more than the club's valuation. Who? Think he means barca Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SUPERTOON Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 I remember Arsenal selling their then best striker to Real Madrid for a vast sum not that long ago. And it's definitely part of Levy's plan for Tottenham to sell players if an offer comes in that is vastly more than the club's valuation. Who? Anelka? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 They replaced Anelka with Thierry Henry. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 8, 2011 Share Posted August 8, 2011 They replaced Anelka with Thierry Henry. Who was a winger at the time. Obertan our new striker ;-) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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