Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa. If we'd been chasing the game and hadn't used up our substitutes I would have imagined Ben Arfa would have come on. Ben Arfa can create something out of nothing but he also loses the ball quite often. With Aston Villa hitting us on the break with pace it would have been very risky to have Ben Arfa on, especially when his ball retention isn't great. As for Pardew, keep up the good work! I was with the benching of Ben Arfa today after his last two games but I really don't understand the "today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa" stuff each time he's not playing (and NUFC wins) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 By the way I enjoy us winning but do not enjouy our performances or our football. In the main, we have performed poorly this season with some really shitty performances. QPR at home as Allardyce esque for example. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Just read the first few pages, laughable really. Would be no different if we sacked Pardew and appointed Phil Brown. Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Aye, yet to see this new brand of football talked about in the summer. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 The QPR game certainly wasn't Allardyce-esque. Some of our best possession football that match. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 The QPR game certainly wasn't Allardyce-esque. Some of our best possession football that match. It was before Ben Arfa came on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 The QPR game certainly wasn't Allardyce-esque. Some of our best possession football that match. It was before Ben Arfa came on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 By the way I enjoy us winning but do not enjouy our performances or our football. In the main, we have performed poorly this season with some really shitty performances. QPR at home as Allardyce esque for example. QPR home, won the game with most of our best players missing. Lets start to judge when Pardew has BA, Cisse, Tiote, Cabs, Colo, S Taylor (next season) all on the same pitch. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa. If we'd been chasing the game and hadn't used up our substitutes I would have imagined Ben Arfa would have come on. Ben Arfa can create something out of nothing but he also loses the ball quite often. With Aston Villa hitting us on the break with pace it would have been very risky to have Ben Arfa on, especially when his ball retention isn't great. As for Pardew, keep up the good work! I get the feeling Pards is a lot more comfortable with the idea of Ben Arfa being on the pitch when one or both of Tiote/Cabaye is behind him for precisely that reason. Like you say he's capable of individual moments but he's going to shine with players who show for the ball and make space better than, with all due respect, guthrie and perchy. Hmmm, think that's a reasonable assessment actually. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveItIfWeBeatU Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa. If we'd been chasing the game and hadn't used up our substitutes I would have imagined Ben Arfa would have come on. Ben Arfa can create something out of nothing but he also loses the ball quite often. With Aston Villa hitting us on the break with pace it would have been very risky to have Ben Arfa on, especially when his ball retention isn't great. As for Pardew, keep up the good work! I was with the benching of Ben Arfa today after his last two games but I really don't understand the "today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa" stuff each time he's not playing (and NUFC wins) Not suited as in if he kept losing the ball it puts a lot of pressure on us when the opposition team are hitting us on the break with pace. If Ben Arfa is running forward the rest of the team will race forward to support. If he loses the ball we're out of position and having to sprint to get back. I bet Obertan starts on the right next week to go up against Bale. Obertan has the pace and work ethic to chase Bale. I doubt Ben Arfa will be trusted to do that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 By the way I enjoy us winning but do not enjouy our performances or our football. In the main, we have performed poorly this season with some really shitty performances. QPR at home as Allardyce esque for example. QPR home, won the game with most of our best players missing. Lets start to judge when Pardew has BA, Cisse, Tiote, Cabs, Colo, S Taylor (next season) all on the same pitch. We've had our best side out many a time this season and still hoofed it long. Our performance against QPR was shocking in the main. The worst I have seen us was at home to Bolton. Jesus that was tough veiwing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 24 games in, 5th place and still some trying to find reasons why we are doing well despite Pardew Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jayson Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 I don't completely agree with his current footballing philosophy, I don't think he's getting the very best out of the team, I don't like the way he's treated HBA, I find his cautiousness incredibly frustrating at times but I simply have to applaud him in the end, as he's getting fantastic results and has made the season memorable. Well done Pards. yeah i think we're a bit lucky Best got injured. And Raylor to an extent, as though Obertan was mostly crap he did inject a bit of pace into our game. Similar thing happened with Ben Arfa vs QPR. Would like Pardew to be a bit braver in his decisions from now on rather than letting circumstance or luck (good and bad) dictate the difficult decisions. He's certainly not as ballsy as he once was but I think he's simply stumbled onto a formula that's gotten results and has stuck with it. We could definitely still have gotten the results we have, playing some more expansive football and that is frustrating but ultimately hard to argue against. I'd like him to play Ben Arfa in a 4-4-2 to supply the 2 lads up top, I think it would work a treat, especially at home but I doubt we'll ever see that. Dont see how thats definate atall. For all any of us know Pardew has been getting the best out of what he currently has available. Ben Arfa is a class player, but he is up and down at the moment & his replacement today helped us score a goal in a game we won by a single goal. Its all wishful thinking when people argue with Pardews decisions and style of play. Utilised the best they can? We have numerous players in our squad that have been brought up with a specific footballing philosophy, a lot of them have played in teams that were based around pass and move and performed very well indeed (some of them championship winning sides or ones in European competition). You're telling me out of the likes of: Coloccini, Santon, Jonas, Tiote, Cabaye, Guthrie, Ben Arfa and Ba, we couldn't have got some efficient pass and move going? Some proper movement and fluidity between the front 5/6? Successful play built through midfield? It's a bit s*** watching these guys who've played in far more technical leagues, for far more technical teams, hoofing the ball around, when they could be so much more. Who's to say that if we'd gone for a more attacking line up today, we might have won by 3 goals, instead of scrapping with just 1? I agree thats possible for our future. Atm out of those players Santon is only now looking like that position is his, Jonas's form has been up and down, Cabaye is also newer to the league & struggled to find space earlier in the season, Guthrie is only recently improving & Barfa is up and down/coming back still from his year out. I dont think theyve had time or the experience so far to become that side yet. In the 2nd half today when they dropped off id say we did have some nice pass & move going which Guthrie largely dictated. Long ball is just another tactic we are able to deploy with two big lads. We might have won by more with Barfa yeah, we might have lost also. There are reasonable arguments for both but i dont think ppl should argue with a successful decision in the pure hope that it couldve been better. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Fwiw I think he intended to get us knocking it about on the floor a bit more but started by making us solid. As the season has gone on it's looked like if we stay solid we'll win because Ba always fucking scores (Norwich is a perfect example of this, if we defend to a reasonable standard in that game we take three points because Ba had two chances and scored the both) So he's reassessed (sp?) the priorities and come up with 'be very hard to break down, get the ball to Ba'. Now that we've got Cisse as well I think it's gonna be the same philosophy but with two clinical strikers to aim for. Whilst I was concerned by how easily Villa went through the middle of us today we all know why that was. In light of all this it's pretty hard to argue with Pardew's philosophy at the minute. Whether he tries to improve our football next season remains to be seen but I've got a feeling he will. For now though it's whatever works, we're a point behind 4th ffs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 By the way I enjoy us winning but do not enjouy our performances or our football. In the main, we have performed poorly this season with some really shitty performances. QPR at home as Allardyce esque for example. QPR home, won the game with most of our best players missing. Lets start to judge when Pardew has BA, Cisse, Tiote, Cabs, Colo, S Taylor (next season) all on the same pitch. We've had our best side out many a time this season and still hoofed it long. Our performance against QPR was shocking in the main. The worst I have seen us was at home to Bolton. Jesus that was tough veiwing. We haven't played Bolton at home yet? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pilko Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Aye, yet to see this new brand of football talked about in the summer. You must have missed quite a few of our games then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sifu Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 http://i.imgur.com/xK9QL.png Love Pardew me. A point behind 4th Can't be said enough for me, all credit to Pardew and the lads. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NG32 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 By the way I enjoy us winning but do not enjouy our performances or our football. In the main, we have performed poorly this season with some really shitty performances. QPR at home as Allardyce esque for example. QPR home, won the game with most of our best players missing. Lets start to judge when Pardew has BA, Cisse, Tiote, Cabs, Colo, S Taylor (next season) all on the same pitch. We've had our best side out many a time this season and still hoofed it long. Our performance against QPR was shocking in the main. The worst I have seen us was at home to Bolton. Jesus that was tough veiwing. Aye, we arent pleasent at times but by god we are tough to beat...In the past weowuld have roled over for these teams, not now. When have we had our best side out and played gash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skeletor Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Won as many games as Chelsea and Arsenal as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa. If we'd been chasing the game and hadn't used up our substitutes I would have imagined Ben Arfa would have come on. Ben Arfa can create something out of nothing but he also loses the ball quite often. With Aston Villa hitting us on the break with pace it would have been very risky to have Ben Arfa on, especially when his ball retention isn't great. As for Pardew, keep up the good work! I was with the benching of Ben Arfa today after his last two games but I really don't understand the "today wasn't a game suited to Ben Arfa" stuff each time he's not playing (and NUFC wins) Not suited as in if he kept losing the ball it puts a lot of pressure on us when the opposition team are hitting us on the break with pace. If Ben Arfa is running forward the rest of the team will race forward to support. If he loses the ball we're out of position and having to sprint to get back. I bet Obertan starts on the right next week to go up against Bale. Obertan has the pace and work ethic to chase Bale. I doubt Ben Arfa will be trusted to do that. I think you're exagerating the amount of ball he loose during a game He had two bad games against Brighton and Blackburn, but otherwise I don't think that you can summarise his football and contribution to the team this year, with the little chances given by Pardew, like that. After all, Jonas loose the ball a lot in first half but he kept his place in second half and played better... It was not a game for him against a (poor) Villa and it will not be a game for him against the Spurs, so when will he play ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ashley17 Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 We've scored as many at home as we have away - in fact considering we're 5th our home goals tally is remarkably low Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ykmkmdd Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 24 games in, 5th place and still some trying to find reasons why we are doing well despite Pardew Indeed. Can't get everything 100% but seems churlish to criticise the man that has us 5th in the league with a fraction of the budget of the teams around us. Very well done Pards, keep it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 Just look at the league table, ladies. http://i.imgur.com/HCaea.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
lovejoy Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 This thread won't get many comments today that's for sure. http://i.imgur.com/spJtj.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted February 5, 2012 Share Posted February 5, 2012 HTT? Which brings us to the manager. I don’t particularly like him. Heresy I know. He is a monumental arse licker although I can’t blame him as he is at the biggest club by far in his entire career. But he doesn’t half come out with some patronising bullshit. “On another day we could have got the draw or nicked a win.” This was after the Brighton fiasco. Space precludes many other examples. We are desperately short of quality and so far this season I have quite often seen some dreadful football from us. Apart from mackems (a), Spurs (h), Stoke (a) and ManU (h) we have been lucky or outplayed or both and yet often come away with the result. QPR (h&a) was shocking. Others would include (Fulham (h&a), Wolves (a), WBA (h) Wigan (h), Everton (h) Blackburn (h&a), Norwich (a) and so on. Still, it all comes back to our beloved owner and what his plans and expectations are. Answers on the back of a postage stamp - although I think we all know. Ken Brown. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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