Jayson Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 No chance are Williamson, Santon & Simpson up there with the best atm & thats most of our defence. The main reason we've lost points recently has been due to conceding a lot, not lack of scoring chances. You think Pardews at fault for that defence not getting us into the top 4 recently ? We showed in the 2nd half today that we can play football and 2 of the players you have mentioned were on the pitch at that time and the other should have been as he was one of our better players in the first shitty half. Via Sunderland sitting back & going a man down affording those players loads of space. Williamson & Simpson clearly arent top 4 standard, they will cost us goals. If we still had Saylor who knows where we couldve been, i actually imagine we would be top 4 right now quite easily the way we were going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BooBoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 HTT- respect the man, but fucking hell what a bore. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level. Up where?? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LateRegistration Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level. I'd say if you look at our players man for man, we are actually above what we'd expect, of course we are! Look at the fact that after saylor-collocini our next centre-back is Williamson, who would never get games in one of the so called big-6. Even forwards wise before the cisse signing it was a case of Ba and either Best/Shola/Lovenkrands. Look at our fullbacks Simpson/raylor. All examples of players that man for man are NOT up there with the best of the premier league, they're not even close. Jus t look at this thread : - http://www.newcastle-online.org/nufcforum/index.php/topic,89739.0.html Didn't see many predicting we may be finishing 7th or above, which we are in a fantastic position to do. Anyways who do you propose may be able to get the "best out of these" players? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Our starting XI is top 7 in this league. We are by no means a better team than that but Pardew is also not OVERACHEIVING with these players. Pardew has proven he knows how to make this team play good football as we did in the first 11 games but he has also proven his limitations such as no PLAN B and sometimes no plan at all. What pisses me off the most is that he is immune to criticism by some. We are 1 position above what we should with the way Ba has played. Pardew gets far more credit than deserved, although he does get more abuse than he deserves too. Im tired of the shit we have been playing for a while now, which we have but sacking Pardew is uncalled for aswell as will only cause this club instablity. Not his biggest fan but I hope he starts paying attention to the mistakes he has been committing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MyPalAl Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 You can't please all the people all the time (SBR?) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thedudeabides Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 At the end of the day, if you were to compare our players, man to man, with the best of the PL, we should and would be up there. The only reason we're not is due to the manager. One thing's for sure as far as I'm concerned, if Bobby were here, Hatem would have played the full 90 minutes of every single game he's been fit and available for. He's meeting Ashley's criteria, so he's safe for now. But there's no reason to accept where we are, we should be aiming for better with what we have. Whether there is a manager available to do this right now, is another question entirely. It doesn't mean I don't have the right to pass opinion on the fact that Pardew is clearly out of his depth at this level. We are 'up there', unless you mean we should be in the top 4? If you do, you're an idiot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Satan - Up There (+ lyrics) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 I can't knock the guy for where we are in the league and if you had said we'd be here at the start of the season I'd snap your hand off! Trouble is now I've seen what we CAN do, but have failed to do this year so far, I want to see more from our team. He's clearly doing some thing right or we wouldn't be so high up the table, but our tactics this side of xmas have been substandard to say the least, with Arsenals xmas hangover, Liverpool's inhability to sustain a winning streak and Chelski's OAP demise, we should be challenging for that 4th place spot. Only the two Manchester clubs and the Spuds have shown and sort of sustained class this season and where they rightly deserve to be. As for today's game, I hope that teaches Pardew a lesson that we should be playing a more attack minded game at home, obviously it helped that the Scum were reduced to 10 men, but we were dominant before that and I'm convinced that we would have got a result out of this game even had there not been a sending off. If he leaves HBA out again after today's evidence then you have to question his mentality. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Very, very stark in his interviews on NUFCtv. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Very, very stark in his interviews on NUFCtv. What did he have to say? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Already been mentioned a lot of it, Cisse not understanding the occasion, telling Williamson how he needs to prove the fans wrong- talked about hearing a lot of comments about him being the weakest link during the week and so on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Another 17 games and we'll be able to directly compare his record with Glen Roeder, who didn't have the benefit of taking over a team in the top half. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Haris Vuckic Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Neither did Pardew. We were 11th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Neither did Pardew. We were 11th. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Neither did Pardew. We were 11th. Well, we were comfortable enough to be shocked at Hughton's departure. Cant compare it to the shambles Sourness left us in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Why do we need to compare his record to Roeder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
thomas Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 For the purposes of .. uh. er. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Neither did Pardew. We were 11th. Well, we were comfortable enough to be shocked at Hughton's departure. Cant compare it to the shambles Sourness left us in. Give the very different circumstances of their arrivals and the very different teams they inherited it's a bit of a strange comparison to make. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robster Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Why do we need to compare his record to Roeder? They're both cockney's. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
S.S.R. Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Former West Ham managers with the insulation of an impressive run of results, belying their limitations, which become more evident towards the end of their employment here. He's a suave Roeder. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Former West Ham managers with the insulation of an impressive run of results, belying their limitations, which become more evident towards the end of their employment here. Ah, you have the future sight. Apologies for doubting. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest pintofscottsellers Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Mackems are kicking off about some incident with O'Niell, what happened there? did Pardew celebrate in front of them or something? They see to forget Steve Bruce sprinting down the touch line last season Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
jdckelly Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 whereas Roeder's good bit was towards the end of a season while Pardews doing well over a full season yes he's made mistakes however here are the facts, we are 6th in the table he's gotten more right this season than he's got wrong. Was anyone seriously expecting us to be in this position pre season? more than a few was worried about relegation Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Si Posted March 4, 2012 Share Posted March 4, 2012 Why do we need to compare his record to Roeder? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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