Hanshithispantz Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 "I'm not promising owt mind lads, so dont get your hopes up, but we might, we just MIGHT... grab that 8th spot." Cheers mate. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 EIGHTH! Be still my beating heart. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 8th and NETD. believe. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think I've gone from being the most optimistic I've been in a couple of years, to the most apathetic I've ever been. It's not even Carver himself, really. It's the fact that his appointment is the very last nail in the 'care' coffin. They absolutely do not give one solitary shit about which way the football club goes. I don't hate Carver but everything about him just screams out-of-his-depth, this in spite of the fact he's been involved in the club during its most successful spells during my lifetime. He shouldn't be anywhere near the manager position but I don't blame him for wanting it. I don't respect him, like, in the same way I had no respect for Pardew for being a patsy - cos Carver is simply coming across desperate, and making comments like some of those there almost look like he knows he's never good enough. It doesn't matter though, he could still easily get it permanently. A farcical situation and one if the biggest mockeries they've made of the club since they got here. There is no respect from the board towards the club as a footballing entity. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think I've gone from being the most optimistic I've been in a couple of years, to the most apathetic I've ever been. It's not even Carver himself, really. It's the fact that his appointment is the very last nail in the 'care' coffin. They absolutely do not give one solitary shit about which way the football club goes. I don't hate Carver but everything about him just screams out-of-his-depth, this in spite of the fact he's been involved in the club during its most successful spells during my lifetime. He shouldn't be anywhere near the manager position but I don't blame him for wanting it. I don't respect him, like, in the same way I had no respect for Pardew for being a patsy - cos Carver is simply coming across desperate, and making comments like some of those there almost look like he knows he's never good enough. It doesn't matter though, he could still easily get it permanently. A farcical situation and one if the biggest mockeries they've made of the club since they got here. There is no respect from the board towards the club as a footballing entity. I'm putting off this conclusion until the summer, but it's looking like it's going to get impossible to even pretend there's any point in us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Different managers (or head coaches) have different ways. At Newcastle it’s differed throughout the Mike Ashley era. Sam Allardyce would often be up to an hour late for his Press conferences but would talk for almost as long and ensure that the different media got different lines. Kevin Keegan always found time for both the nationals and locals. Let’s just say Joe Kinnear was unique. We all know about his explosive first interview with the national media when he swore 52 times. But he had a different relationship with the Chronicle and once invited me into his office for a cup of tea. Using a magnet board with player names written on each football shirt shaped piece of plastic, he scratched his head with his team plagued by injuries, then asked me to pick a team![/quote] Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 "It will be Graham and Lee along with the guy who puts all the stuff together." Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I think I've gone from being the most optimistic I've been in a couple of years, to the most apathetic I've ever been. It's not even Carver himself, really. It's the fact that his appointment is the very last nail in the 'care' coffin. They absolutely do not give one solitary shit about which way the football club goes. I don't hate Carver but everything about him just screams out-of-his-depth, this in spite of the fact he's been involved in the club during its most successful spells during my lifetime. He shouldn't be anywhere near the manager position but I don't blame him for wanting it. I don't respect him, like, in the same way I had no respect for Pardew for being a patsy - cos Carver is simply coming across desperate, and making comments like some of those there almost look like he knows he's never good enough. It doesn't matter though, he could still easily get it permanently. A farcical situation and one if the biggest mockeries they've made of the club since they got here. There is no respect from the board towards the club as a footballing entity. I'm putting off this conclusion until the summer, but it's looking like it's going to get impossible to even pretend there's any point in us. When the announcement was first made I had the same outlook, and I still have a modicum of hope. But it looks to me like Carver will need to be an absolute car crash for us not to go forward with him. He's gonna have to prove to them that they can't just employ any fucking nugget and they are gonna need to change their approach towards everything football-related. I simply cannot bare begging for us to lose any more so I think id just prefer to try and not care at all. Utterly devastating. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Speaking for the first time since being given the job until the end of the season, Carver made it clear he was happy to work under the restrictions set down by managing director Lee Charnley, even if few other managers or head coaches in the Premier League have nothing to do with such important matters. Carver said: “My role is a head coach. I’m not interested in who is coming in or who is going out. I have to say I have done a similar job once before in America, and my role was exactly the same. So I am working under these conditions and I understand it. How desperate can you get? Ashley should get him to wash the kits on a Sunday as well, I'm sure he'd gladly do it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KaKa Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 "It will be Graham and Lee along with the guy who puts all the stuff together." The guy is really up to scratch isn't he Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I agree, but like Yorkie says it's more than possible that they'll just let Carver continue. This was/is a big chance for them to prove they actually care a bit about football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Think ManDoon was taking the piss lyk Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Ah got ya. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yorkie Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Boooooo Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 When Pardew left I did think there was a chance they would appoint a manager, so I'm putting off total despair until Carver is confirmed permanently. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 I'm sort of with Ian here (nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo) I'm not expecting Carver to get the gig fulltime due to him being utter dog shit, but if his replacement is Steve McLaren they can fuck right off. If he actually gets the job I'm done. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 The thing is, the club have dumbed down the management position so much, no real manager of any worth is going to be interested. It is basically a job now for a mong with a few cones, that's why Carver is lapping it up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
arnonel Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 When Pardew left I did think there was a chance they would appoint a manager, so I'm putting off total despair until Carver is confirmed permanently. http://ashleyberges.com/wp-content/uploads/2013/06/i4hd_albert_einstein_definition-of-insanity.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Aren't a few high profile managers notably interested in the role though? Namely De Boer and Garde? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 The thing is, the club have dumbed down the management position so much, no real manager of any worth is going to be interested. It is basically a job now for a mong with a few cones, that's why Carver is lapping it up. I disagree, we are still buying half decent players, and while it's not ideal when managers have no input, when it's someone like Carver or Pardew that's a good thing. I think a good coach who shares similar football styles with Carr could get a lot more out of the players available. That's why Garde would have been such a good move. I think he would work well with Carr. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 How do we not know Garde didn't just laugh in their faces and walk away after they put forward what they expect from him. I just can't see anyone of any worth wanting to basically stop being a manager to come here and be a glorified coach with no kind of say in anything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NUFC_Chris Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 Tbh I think McLaren would be an improvement on Pardew, but can't say I'd be thrilled at the appointment either. Who of De Boer, Garde, Galtier etc would accept having no control of transfers? They'd surely want final say. I don't have a problem with the trio of Charnley, Carver and whoever the head coach is working on things together but the manager has to final say. He's after all the one who picks the side and will set the clubs footballing philosophy going forward according to Charnley himself. It just doesn't make sense! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 On Totalsport last night, Anderson kept responding to anyone who was against Carvers appointment, by saying that any new manager wouldn't have a say in transfers, as had been stated previously by Charnley in that interview. He completely avoided the fact that a potentially better head coach from the continent, would be used to working under similar 'restrictions', but could do better than his mate, JC. As stated on here last night, bringing in a new manager now could/would be better, to work with the squad until the summer, given time to assess what he's got, so he can advise Carr/Charnley what he'd like, rather than coming in summer and having less time. Pundits/Carver supporters seem to ignore the fact that his management/head coach record over all the jobs he's had, just isn't very good. Yet they keep harping on.. "he's been at the club so long, he deserves the chance". Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 How do we not know Garde didn't just laugh in their faces and walk away after they put forward what they expect from him. I just can't see anyone of any worth wanting to basically stop being a manager to come here and be a glorified coach with no kind of say in anything. That's not what they've said though. They've just said the head coach won't have the final say on transfers. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted January 30, 2015 Share Posted January 30, 2015 On Totalsport last night, Anderson kept responding to anyone who was against Carvers appointment, by saying that any new manager wouldn't have a say in transfers, as had been stated previously by Charnley in that interview. He completely avoided the fact that a potentially better head coach from the continent, would be used to working under similar 'restrictions', but could do better than his mate, JC. As stated on here last night, bringing in a new manager now could/would be better, to work with the squad until the summer, given time to assess what he's got, so he can advise Carr/Charnley what he'd like, rather than coming in summer and having less time. Pundits/Carver supporters seem to ignore the fact that his management/head coach record over all the jobs he's had, just isn't very good. Yet they keep harping on.. "he's been at the club so long, he deserves the chance". That's not actually what Charnley said though. What he actually said was that the manager would have input, he just wouldn't have the final say. I think that's the case at a lot of clubs. Carver is just trying to get a step ahead on the ladder by saying he'll happily do the job with no say at all. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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