afar Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Whatever Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
LV Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 http://i.imgur.com/PqQTCOh.png f***ing disgraceful, and all stems from the top. This is the crux of it all. The guy at the top doesn't give a fuck beyond making money for himself. He runs the club on a shoestring and employs a shoestring 'head coach' who's not up to it. I know the players have to take some flak for our performances but they do need some motivation and some indication from the club that how they play matters. I can't imagine they look around NUFC as it is these days and see a club that cares. I also can't imagine being on the pitch and looking back at the gurning faces of Carver, Stone and Woodman in the dugout is the most inspiring sight. If those at the top aren't that bothered, why bother yourself? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It will be absolutely fascinating what Mike Ashley makes of all this and whether he decides to act. Does he trust Charnley to protect his asset to the end, risking losing millions in the process? Does Charnley have the confidence to see his bluff through? Has Carver's relentless self appreciation been based on assurances from above, and if so, will they cut him loose regardless? What will happen to his 5 year contract? For what it's worth I don't think the club will act decisively as they probably see changing their opinion as a sign of weakness, and consequently as a worse option than seeing their gamble through. I also don't think they will be able to handle negotiating with McLaren (sigh) and Carver (to demote him or for a pay-off) without f***ing it up in the process. Schteve will be in no frame of mind for a relegation fight having just lost out on the playoffs, and from his perspective he will probably want to see what happens to us in the next few weeks first. Mike and Lee have made their bed, and they will lie in it. The next few weeks will be absolutely fascinating. From one f*** up to the next and on and on we go. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Hog Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Exactly, as a player why would you bother making an effort at Newcastle United, knowing that your sole aim is to break even for the season. No winning of cups, no attempt at gaining European football, no massive wage incentive, it's a graveyard for any footballer that isn't actually bothered about playing football or furthering their careers/experiences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Gino14 Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It will be absolutely fascinating what Mike Ashley makes of all this and whether he decides to act. Does he trust Charnley to protect his asset to the end, risking losing millions in the process? Does Charnley have the confidence to see his bluff through? Has Carver's relentless self appreciation been based on assurances from above, and if so, will they cut him loose regardless? What will happen to his 5 year contract? For what it's worth I don't think the club will act decisively as they probably see changing their opinion as a sign of weakness, and consequently as a worse option than seeing their gamble through. I also don't think they will be able to handle negotiating with McLaren (sign) and Carver (to demote him or for a pay-off) without f***ing it up in the process. Schteve will be in no frame of mind for a relegation fight having just lost out on the playoffs, and from his perspective he will probably want to see what happens to us in the next few weeks first. Mike and Lee have made their bed, and they will lie in it. The next few weeks will be absolutely fascinating. From one f*** up to the next and on and on we go. Pretty much sums up how I feel about it. Every time it's time to act, we seem to have people in charge who just cross their fingers and hope for the best. This time their gamble has failed and it's going to cost them £100m. I hope it costs them a lot and hurts them financially at the very least, because it won't be anywhere near as much as the fans will hurt from the relegation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 It will be absolutely fascinating what Mike Ashley makes of all this and whether he decides to act. Does he trust Charnley to protect his asset to the end, risking losing millions in the process? Does Charnley have the confidence to see his bluff through? Has Carver's relentless self appreciation been based on assurances from above, and if so, will they cut him loose regardless? What will happen to his 5 year contract? For what it's worth I don't think the club will act decisively as they probably see changing their opinion as a sign of weakness, and consequently as a worse option than seeing their gamble through. I also don't think they will be able to handle negotiating with McLaren (sigh) and Carver (to demote him or for a pay-off) without f***ing it up in the process. Schteve will be in no frame of mind for a relegation fight having just lost out on the playoffs, and from his perspective he will probably want to see what happens to us in the next few weeks first. Mike and Lee have made their bed, and they will lie in it. The next few weeks will be absolutely fascinating. From one f*** up to the next and on and on we go. I think they will act, they have to, from a business perspective (and we know that's all Ashley looks at things from) they most certainly have to. Carver has to be sacked completely, he's made his own position untenable with the players. The players won't want him even on the coaching staff after the comments today. But of course you could be right as how often is it easy to predict what this lunatic running our club does. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Put it this way, if McLaren doesn't want to come in straight away, what options do they even have? And if he would be willing to, does it even make sense to bring in a new permanent manager fighting for survival with 3 games to go, especially one who as far as I know is not known as a great motivational manager who can kick start a team in trouble, and who must be quite downbeat himself by the way he has just let the prospect of almost certain promotion slip through his fingers? What happens if he comes in, doesn't get a result and takes us down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Personally don't think Mcclaren has the kind of big personality to make an instant impact on our team. The whole squad looks like they couldn't give a fuck and they need a huge lift. Tim sherwood might be a nutter, but he has a shit villa team playing with belief and spirit and that is what we need badly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Put it this way, if McLaren doesn't want to come in straight away, what options do they even have? And if he would be willing to, does it even make sense to bring in a new permanent manager fighting for survival with 3 games to go, especially one who as far as I know is not known as a great motivational manager who can kick start a team in trouble, and who must be quite downbeat himself by the way he has just let the prospect of almost certain promotion slip through his fingers? What happens if he comes in, doesn't get a result and takes us down? I get what you are saying but we only need one win to be safe, surely ? With the fixtures we've got, pretty confident McLaren would get the new manager bounce to win one of them. If Mclaren can't, won't come then the likes of Vegetables and all the past their prime outdated managers, hell sunderland managed to bring in a big name. That's all you really need here, a name more than anything else will surely kick some arse I know it didn't work with Shearer for us last time, but Shearer had a lot more work to do than we do. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Who cares Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Bert Shaft Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Fully expect fatty to appoint that nutcase JFK to take over for the last 3 games. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted May 2, 2015 Share Posted May 2, 2015 Fully expect fatty to appoint that nutcase JFK to take over for the last 3 games. Wouldn't surprise me either. Neither would it surprise me if he took us down, claimed relegation was nothing to do with him and got the permanent job anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
afar Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11662/9833388/is-john-carver-the-worst-manager-in-premier-league-history Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zero Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Exactly, as a player why would you bother making an effort at Newcastle United, knowing that your sole aim is to break even for the season. No winning of cups, no attempt at gaining European football, no massive wage incentive, it's a graveyard for any footballer that isn't actually bothered about playing football or furthering their careers/experiences. Wrong. They really cares about their own. That's why they performed like shit and once we relegated they can find new clubs easily, because the club has to sell them for nuts instead of quoting ridiculous price. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 This was easily predictable to anyone with an ounce of sense from the moment he was appointed. Why would a group of ego driven professional footballers, some of them full internationals, have any respect or consideration for the opinions and 'knowledge' of a bloke who never really played professionally and has failed at the two small time managerial gigs he got? He has no record or experience to point to. He has no medals or trail of success to validate his authority. There is nothing about the man that would command the respect of the man in the street never mind elite level athletes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Yep. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest zicomartin Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Good thing he is getting replaced by another 'no mark' then. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 As much as I'm not a big fan of McClaren you can't even entertain the idea of grouping them together, man. Carver as a head coach in the PL is like entering Mr Bean into a World's Strongest Man competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crumpy Gunt Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Redknapp for 3 games? Got to be a better option than this useless cunt. Give him £50k a point. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Taylor Swift Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 £50k per point? More like £500k to be honest. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Klaus Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 One melt faced cunt for another. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ExiledGeordie Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Has to be removed now if he doesn't step down. There's three games left and anybody will have a greater impact. As it stands we're more than likely to go down with him in charge. Bloke blatantly isn't up to it no matter what he says about how much he cares/being a fan etc. Position untenable really. Publicly slating players ffs Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TK-421 Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 Personally don't think Mcclaren has the kind of big personality to make an instant impact on our team. The whole squad looks like they couldn't give a f*** and they need a huge lift. Tim sherwood might be a nutter, but he has a s*** villa team playing with belief and spirit and that is what we need badly. Even KK took about 9 games to get his first win last time he came back, though he did get a few draws. Think if they do bring McClaren in now, its on the basis that he was a Championship manager anyway, so if we go down he's lost nowt - if we stay up, it'll be dressed up as partly down to him. If they are trying to bring McClaren or anyone else in, I hope they jettison Carver altogether and not just demote him, along with Stone and Woodman in the process. Next Head Coach/Manager/puppet need to at least bring his own people with him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wyn davies Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 he still here then, if not gone in next few days, will be here till the end. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted May 3, 2015 Share Posted May 3, 2015 One things for certain it's brought our situation to light, have had some good conversations on FB today with fans of other clubs who are now seeing what's wrong up here. Carver needs to go today and give someone a week to instill some belief and spirit into the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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