Geordie Ahmed Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I reckon it is going to be a tough summer £35 Million is a lot of money, even if we have less than that to spend it isnt so bad if you spend it wisely (see Ben Arfa and Tiote) BUT I dont trust Pardew to do so - he is going to buy crap like Carlton Cole Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Exactly Ahmed. No one else seems to be realising that we have to spend the money wisely. Souness had 50 million at his disposal when you could get much more for your money and wasted every last penny. Trusting this idiot with that much would be suicidal. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 £35 Million is a lot of money Not if you factor transfer fees, signing on fees and wages into the equation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 £35 Million is a lot of money Not if you factor transfer fees, signing on fees and wages into the equation. that occurred to me, lets say carroll was on 40k a week (which i doubt) we now have to bring in say 4-5 players to cover his loss and build up the squad a bit to make this worthwhile if you bring in 4-5 players with a combined value of 35m on transfer fees alone the wages involved outwith that would probably have to be in excess of 100k a week combined doesn't quite work does it? so effectively we'd be looking at maybe 20m on players and 15m on their wages, or whatever balance you like to guesstimate in other words, we're not gonna get a lot for our 35m in terms of actual bodies on the pitch imho Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 £35 Million is a lot of money Not if you factor transfer fees, signing on fees and wages into the equation. So can some one do the maths ,if we sign 3 players on £6 million each for example and include wages and fees on 5 yr deals what will be left of the £35 million with our wage structure . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 £35 Million is a lot of money Not if you factor transfer fees, signing on fees and wages into the equation. that occurred to me, lets say carroll was on 40k a week (which i doubt) we now have to bring in say 4-5 players to cover his loss and build up the squad a bit to make this worthwhile if you bring in 4-5 players with a combined value of 35m on transfer fees alone the wages involved outwith that would probably have to be in excess of 100k a week combined doesn't quite work does it? so effectively we'd be looking at maybe 20m on players and 15m on their wages, or whatever balance you like to guesstimate in other words, we're not gonna get a lot for our 35m in terms of actual bodies on the pitch imho While i was typing Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Jim Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 £35 Million is a lot of money Not if you factor transfer fees, signing on fees and wages into the equation. So can some one do the maths ,if we sign 3 players on £6 million each for example and include wages and fees on 5 yr deals what will be left of the £35 million with our wage structure . Let's say we buy 2 players at £5m Cost=£10m 5year deal at £40,000 per week Cost = £10m per player =£20m Therefore if wages and Transfer fee are included ( but excluding signing on fee) Total =£30m 2 players for £30m That won't get us far!!!!!! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 I hope it is that carr guy doing any deals because I dont trust pardew with any cash. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Doesn't the club have any other income to fund wages other than transfer fees? Doesn't that come out of gate money and tv cash? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jinky Jim Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 "The fee is enormous. I have had no chance to spend it. We have to make sure we spend it correctly in the summer. There will be £35m available and all of it will be spent, but it would be on fees AND wages." This is supposedly a quote from Pardew. If correct then the £35 million is to include the cost of the transfer and the player's wages. Would be typical of Ashley!! No extra money. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benwell Lad Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Doesn't the club have any other income to fund wages other than transfer fees? Doesn't that come out of gate money and tv cash? Wages budget will be different to transfer. Losing a player off the payroll will allow that part of the wages pot to be spent on another player. In this respect losing Carroll probably had less impact than losing Xisco ! Bosman rulings distort the picture somewhat - you may get a player for free - but he will want a big signing on fee and a much higher salary to compensate. It leaves the club having to decide whether the available pot is spent on transfer fees and they keep the present wage budget or whether they pick up "Bosmans" but move some of the transfer kitty to cover extra wages and signing on fees that will be incurred. Something like that anyway. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PCW1983 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Doesn't the club have any other income to fund wages other than transfer fees? Doesn't that come out of gate money and tv cash? Wages budget will be different to transfer. Losing a player off the payroll will allow that part of the wages pot to be spent on another player. In this respect losing Carroll probably had less impact than losing Xisco ! Bosman rulings distort the picture somewhat - you may get a player for free - but he will want a big signing on fee and a much higher salary to compensate. It leaves the club having to decide whether the available pot is spent on transfer fees and they keep the present wage budget or whether they pick up "Bosmans" but transfer some of the transfer kitty to cover extra wages and signing on fees that will be incurred. Something like that anyway. FM explains it perfectly Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We're not going to make any signings over about £8m at max, I hope nobody is expecting any realistic replacement for Carroll to come in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BrettNUFC Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Surely the Carroll trasnfer fee is just going to be put on top of what we were already going to spend in the summer if Carroll hadn't of flew off? Actually............ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Roger Kint Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We're not going to make any signings over about £8m at max, I hope nobody is expecting any realistic replacement for Carroll to come in. Exactly. Notice the thread title has gone back to the original misleading one as well. Can just as easily mean it will go to pay the current squad as opposed to any new additions. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We're not going to make any signings over about £8m at max, I hope nobody is expecting any realistic replacement for Carroll to come in. Heskey on a free Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We're not going to make any signings over about £8m at max, I hope nobody is expecting any realistic replacement for Carroll to come in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hudson Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Surely the Carroll trasnfer fee is just going to be put on top of what we were already going to spend in the summer if Carroll hadn't of flew off? Actually............ We will not get the 35 million upfront for carrol, it will be paid over 5years. So we will not invest 35 Million in the summer. If where lucky we may see 10 million of that Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Source that it is to be paid in installments? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Source that it is to be paid in installments? Most clubs do it tbh but we pay up front . Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Colocho Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Yeah, I know paying in installments is the norm, but if they've come out and said we're going to spend all the money in the summer, they are setting themselves up for another PR disaster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We're not going to make any signings over about £8m at max, I hope nobody is expecting any realistic replacement for Carroll to come in. i'll bet you a pint we make a signing of over 8million before the next transfer window is shut. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest johnson293 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Source that it is to be paid in installments? Most clubs do it tbh but we pay up front . Aye, posted that in one of the other threads - the club said that a while back, that we pay for players up front and receive money for selling players, in installments. We pay up front so no ongoing debts for players (like some that Ashley inherited) but receive installments so we have a steady income stream. This however (possibly) means a limit to fees on individual players, but we will also be limited by our wage structure anyway. Just gotta hope 'chatty mans' dad can work some miracles and find a few more Tiote/Ben Arfa quality/cost players in the summer! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 We're not going to make any signings over about £8m at max, I hope nobody is expecting any realistic replacement for Carroll to come in. think you can guarantee right now that any player we sign in any position won't be the finished article they'll either be a combination of mentally unstable, full of potential and/or average-shit ability Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 2, 2011 Share Posted February 2, 2011 Source that it is to be paid in installments? Most clubs do it tbh but we pay up front . Aye, posted that in one of the other threads - the club said that a while back, that we pay for players up front and receive money for selling players, in installments. We pay up front so no ongoing debts for players (like some that Ashley inherited) but receive installments so we have a steady income stream. This however (possibly) means a limit to fees on individual players, but we will also be limited by our wage structure anyway. Just gotta hope 'chatty mans' dad can work some miracles and find a few more Tiote/Ben Arfa quality/cost players in the summer! can't they buy upfront using projected income to budget on ? also the wage structure is purely based on giving players what you think they are worth if you can afford it...don't fall for the 30k max wage story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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