loki679 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 You can't point to Pardew, McClaren and Carver and say none of them could get it right, it must be the players fault. Two sacked by lower league clubs and one who's not even a manager (although his Microsoft Office skills are impressive). If we'd appointed Pardew plus two good managers and still been shit then maybe you'd have a point but the fact is we've appointed three shit managers and been shit. Big surprise. You don't put Stifler in charge of the oven and then blame the house when it burns down. Lets try appointing a good manager and then see what happens. Must be worth a shot, right? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 You can't point to Pardew, McClaren and Carver and say none of them could get it right, it must be the players fault. Two sacked by lower league clubs and one who's not even a manager (although his Microsoft Office skills are impressive). If we'd appointed Pardew plus two good managers and still been shit then maybe you'd have a point but the fact is we've appointed three shit managers and been shit. Big surprise. You don't put Stifler in charge of the oven and then blame the house when it burns down. Lets try appointing a good manager and then see what happens. Must be worth a shot, right? Absolutely spot on. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 You can't point to Pardew, McClaren and Carver and say none of them could get it right, it must be the players fault. Two sacked by lower league clubs and one who's not even a manager (although his Microsoft Office skills are impressive). If we'd appointed Pardew plus two good managers and still been shit then maybe you'd have a point but the fact is we've appointed three shit managers and been shit. Big surprise. You don't put Stifler in charge of the oven and then blame the house when it burns down. Lets try appointing a good manager and then see what happens. Must be worth a shot, right? Absolutely spot on. Bingo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mattoon Posted December 29, 2015 Share Posted December 29, 2015 You can't point to Pardew, McClaren and Carver and say none of them could get it right, it must be the players fault. Two sacked by lower league clubs and one who's not even a manager (although his Microsoft Office skills are impressive). If we'd appointed Pardew plus two good managers and still been shit then maybe you'd have a point but the fact is we've appointed three shit managers and been shit. Big surprise. You don't put Stifler in charge of the oven and then blame the house when it burns down. Lets try appointing a good manager and then see what happens. Must be worth a shot, right? Absolutely spot on. Bingo. We can't be having that kind of logical, independent thought going on in here, clearly Pardew is a mastermind and we were shackling him with the players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 If we had Garde, would we be significantly better? Take into consideration Mike Ashley's policies. I can't think of many managers of repute that would even join us. The best we could hope for is Moyes or Rodgers and they wouldn't stand for not having control over transfers. I think Moyes a good PL manager has us bottom half with this team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 He's just a f***ing scout. He gets told to go and find cheap s**** and does so. He spent £50 million in the summer. And he's restricted to looking for mercenaries we can potentially sell on for a profit. He's the least of our worries. he is the main problem. Any manger would struggle with this squad, he has had plenty of time to get a half decent balanced squad. instead we have a squad packed with players not good enough or always injured. He needs to take his share of the blame for this he takes a share of the blame, sure, but then given what you know about the way ashley runs the club what on earth makes you think it's anything other than seeking bargains and potential sell on value that dictates which of the targets we go for? we've been linked with plenty of players over the last 4-5 years that could be top class but we'd never ever pay the money to get them How many players has he found and sold on for big profits ? most are simply not good enough . Not arguing the point how Ashley runs the club, Just the fact Carr comes up with more crap than anything else.. Said before say it again any manager would Struggle with the squad Carr has given him. Absolutely do not agree with your final point especially, nor your overall conclusion that Carr bears most of the blame. I reserve that for Ashley and his balance sheet monkey who really decide who we buy. Nail on the head. I think we are buying good prospects, but clearly the brief is to buy players who will generate future profit. Look at Ayoze for example. Clearly going to be a big money spinner but he's not the finished article. The problem with Ashley's policy is that the money we are spending on potential, our relegation rivals are spending on proven players who are over 28 but can do the business now. Villa are following our model and look at where both clubs are now. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 You don't put Stifler in charge of the oven and then blame the house when it burns down. Great how seamlessly this was slotted in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 30, 2015 Share Posted December 30, 2015 There's a real need to get a couple of solid players 25-28 age range. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
number9shirt Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 This bloke is as much to blame for the downfall of NUFC as anyone. His self indulgent personal mission to play real life football manager has dragged the club into a black hole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordie_b Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 This bloke is as much to blame for the downfall of NUFC as anyone. His self indulgent personal mission to play real life football manager has dragged the club into a black hole. We'll never know how far down his list of players we ended up buying though Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 We'll never know how far down his list of players we ended up buying though That's no different to whoever buys players at any other club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Charnley is the real breakdown IMO. A walking spreadsheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest ElCid Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Charnley is the real breakdown IMO. A walking spreadsheet. Think it's the whole board to be honest utter useless to the core. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 This bloke is as much to blame for the downfall of NUFC as anyone. His self indulgent personal mission to play real life football manager has dragged the club into a black hole. If in doubt blame the head scout? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 This bloke is as much to blame for the downfall of NUFC as anyone. His self indulgent personal mission to play real life football manager has dragged the club into a black hole. If in doubt blame the head scout? Hey, that rhymes. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Im a poet and I didn't know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
54 Posted January 30, 2016 Share Posted January 30, 2016 Im a poet and I didn't know it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Forget his shambolic scouting, he should be sacked alone for suggesting McClaren for the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Forget his shambolic scouting, he should be sacked alone for suggesting McClaren for the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Depends what his criteria was tbf. He might have been told that Ashley only wanted English managers who'll do what they're told and work for a pittance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Depends what his criteria was tbf. He might have been told that Ashley only wanted English managers who'll do what they're told and work for a pittance. He gets far too much benefit of the doubt. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted February 3, 2016 Share Posted February 3, 2016 Depends what his criteria was tbf. He might have been told that Ashley only wanted English managers who'll do what they're told and work for a pittance. He gets far too much benefit of the doubt. I really don't think he does like. He works for Ashley so it's his own fault, but it's no coincidence that everyone we buy is part of a money making exercise. He can be blamed for a lot but it seems fairly clear to me that his remit is very limited in scope. No idea about the McClaren stuff though, Ashley clearly just wants someone who's grateful for the job though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 4, 2016 Share Posted February 4, 2016 If someone else had signed Cabaye the perception of Carr would be very different. And signing a French international on the verge of cementing a starting role for his country hardly constitutes great scouting anyway. Him and his mate McClaren should both be sacked. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Presumably if Carr was such an expert in French football we would be picking up players like Mahrez for peanuts... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
TRon Posted February 6, 2016 Share Posted February 6, 2016 Mahrez for 400k ffs. He makes Sterling look like Martins when it comes to decision making. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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