Tooj Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Still maintain Nesta is the finest CB the game has ever seen. Him and Baresi are the two best that I've ever seen. Also it's a bit of a bold statement saying Zidane wasn't even in the same league as Xavi. I will say Zidane was nowhere near as consistent as Xavi, as he often saved his best form for the big occasions and went through the motions against the lesser teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Hierro is up there in the CB stakes like. Absolute beast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Hierro is up there in the CB stakes like. Absolute beast. No way man. He was good going forward but I never really rated him when it came to defending. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Village Idiot Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Hierro was the best of both worlds, a dirty ugly b****** that moved the ball around like a ballerina. Think he was better in the DM role though, don't think he was good enough positionally as a CB. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Scored lerds of goals thar. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foluwashola Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 I loved him. Bolton legend anarl, what more can you want? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted March 24, 2012 Share Posted March 24, 2012 Hierro is up there in the CB stakes like. Absolute beast. He was part of some comedy defences. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 http://i43.tinypic.com/1fv912.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 Lionel 'Ben Arfa' Messi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fenham Mag Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 To answer the question: 1.Hatem Ben Arfa 2.Messi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted March 25, 2012 Share Posted March 25, 2012 To answer the question: 1.Hatem Ben Arfa 2.Messi 3.Perch Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted March 26, 2012 Share Posted March 26, 2012 "He shows no signs of slowing down either. Stats show Messi has just got better and better as the years progress. His goals in all competitions stand at 38 in 2008-09, 47 in 09-10, 53 in 10-11, and 54 already this season. There’s still potentially two months of the season remaining." FM form, tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Saying Xavi is a different league to Zidane is a complete joke. Perhaps Xavi can pick out a pass marginally better than Zidane, but Zidane's ball control is beyond what Xavi is able to do. His execution of the roulette was the best I've seen. I also fail to see why excelling in the big games is somehow taken against Zidane. That's one of the characteristic of a world class midfielder. To be able to lead your team to victory when the pressure is highest and when the quality of the opponent is theoretically supposed to be the best. I'd also argue that the teams Zidane led to victories were not as good collectively as the current Barcelona/Spanish teams that Xavi is playing in. Overall they are probably very similar in terms of standard (although my vote goes to Zidane) but as always in thread comparing players, it boils down to personal preference and this is another one of those that will likely be divided along the Barcelona vs Madrid lines. There is no real objective way to compare players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Saying Xavi is a different league to Zidane is a complete joke. Perhaps Xavi can pick out a pass marginally better than Zidane, but Zidane's ball control is beyond what Xavi is able to do. His execution of the roulette was the best I've seen. I also fail to see why excelling in the big games is somehow taken against Zidane. That's one of the characteristic of a world class midfielder. To be able to lead your team to victory when the pressure is highest and when the quality of the opponent is theoretically supposed to be the best. I'd also argue that the teams Zidane led to victories were not as good collectively as the current Barcelona/Spanish teams that Xavi is playing in. Overall they are probably very similar in terms of standard (although my vote goes to Zidane) but as always in thread comparing players, it boils down to personal preference and this is another one of those that will likely be divided along the Barcelona vs Madrid lines. There is no real objective way to compare players. hm, zidane while good at juventus really came to prominence at real madrid, which was the galacticos lest we forget so i don't think you should be crying foul about the standard of player he had alongside him there Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 He didn't much leading the team to victory with the Galacticos, they won one title and one CL in 5 years. When he joined they'd just won the league and had 2 Champions Leagues in 3 years, they started to dominate the league again after he left. Same thing happened at Juventus. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hughesy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Possibly more a reference to the France team. Which whilst it had some great players in it, also had Stephane Guivarch in it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mrmojorisin75 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 he's referring to both clearly...the france team 1998 - 2000 was quality but this spain team is superior in my opinion, italy should have beaten france in euro 2000 not really sure what the point is suppose to prove anyway; messi & xavi have won and achieved more than zidane did amid better overall setups, so fucking what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 It also had one of the all time great back 4's and Henry and Trezeguet upfront at Euro 2000, where Zidane really shone unlike 98 where he only turned up in the final. I don't think it was worse than the Spain team that 1-niled (a.e.t) their way to the World Cup against some fairly ordinary teams. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 He didn't much leading the team to victory with the Galacticos, they won one title and one CL in 5 years. When he joined they'd just won the league and had 2 Champions Leagues in 3 years, they started to dominate the league again after he left. Same thing happened at Juventus. The CL was far more competitive then than it is now IMO. Barca and Real Madrid are light years ahead of anyone else in the competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest gggg Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 The Liverpool and Porto teams who won it in that era weren't anything special at all, neither were finalists like Monaco and Arsenal. It was much more competitive when Real won it in 2000. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr. Snrub Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Saying Zidane was in an inferior team at Madrid than what Barcelona are now is sort of ruining on his own point anyway. The Galacticos was bought with unlimited bank rolled funds, signing the worlds great players trying to create some sort of super team. If Zidane was more consistent and could dictate games throughout an entire season Madrid should have easily won more than they did during that time, but he wasn't. This Barcelona team has eclipsed anything Madrid ever done during that era by a some fucking distance because of players who cost nothing coming through the ranks like Xavi. He's won twice as many league titles and 3 times as many Champions Leagues as Zidane. He's also been named player of a major international tournament and has assists in his last 2 CL Finals. He's shown up in big games just as much as Zidane did but has also done it consistently season after season for the last 7 years. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
wormy Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Stick Lionel Messi into Google. First news story? 'He is like Lionel Messi' - Cisse on Newcastle team-mate Ben Arfa Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
alpal78 Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Saying Zidane was in an inferior team at Madrid than what Barcelona are now is sort of ruining on his own point anyway. The Galacticos was bought with unlimited bank rolled funds, signing the worlds great players trying to create some sort of super team. If Zidane was more consistent and could dictate games throughout an entire season Madrid should have easily won more than they did during that time, but he wasn't. This Barcelona team has eclipsed anything Madrid ever done during that era by a some f***ing distance because of players who cost nothing coming through the ranks like Xavi. He's won twice as many league titles and 3 times as many Champions Leagues as Zidane. He's also been named player of a major international tournament and has assists in his last 2 CL Finals. He's shown up in big games just as much as Zidane did but has also done it consistently season after season for the last 7 years. Titles are won by team. How many world player of the year has Xavi won? That surely is the epitome of individual achievement in football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 He'd have had at least one in the last few years if he didn't have the best player of all time (lol u mad) racking them up every season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest firetotheworks Posted March 27, 2012 Share Posted March 27, 2012 Saying Zidane was in an inferior team at Madrid than what Barcelona are now is sort of ruining on his own point anyway. The Galacticos was bought with unlimited bank rolled funds, signing the worlds great players trying to create some sort of super team. If Zidane was more consistent and could dictate games throughout an entire season Madrid should have easily won more than they did during that time, but he wasn't. This Barcelona team has eclipsed anything Madrid ever done during that era by a some f***ing distance because of players who cost nothing coming through the ranks like Xavi. He's won twice as many league titles and 3 times as many Champions Leagues as Zidane. He's also been named player of a major international tournament and has assists in his last 2 CL Finals. He's shown up in big games just as much as Zidane did but has also done it consistently season after season for the last 7 years. Titles are won by team. How many world player of the year has Xavi won? That surely is the epitome of individual achievement in football. He'd have had one if he wasn't up against the player of our generation. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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