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Song deserved to go and he deserves the 3 match ban. Like it or not, it's been made fairly clear over the years that if you strike a player, or raise your hands to a players face (in an agressive manner), then it's a straight red. Theres no grey area.

 

Barton dragged him up by his shirt and gave him a bit of jip, again, like it or not, it's pretty much an unwritten rule that pushing players, pulling there shirt, and other 'melees' that don't involve a player actualy been struck is a yellow card.

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How many players have been sent off in recent years for 'violent conduct' withought actualy hitting a player?

 

I suppose Diaby, but then he was sent off for the push in Nolans back & throwing Barton to the ground by his neck, and ultimately just going on like a radgee. Dowd even signaled at the time that it was for 2 incidents.

 

The fact is if Gervinho had pushed Barton, or swung him about back instead of slapping him, both players would have recieved yellow cards and there would have been no complaints.

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So there's no difference in striking someone really hard at will in the face and a baby slap like Gervinho's, provoked by Barton? I don't mean Barton should have the red card, but at least they could shorten Gervinho's ban to like 1 game or something.

 

That's the way the rules have always worked though. An offence deemed 'violent conduct' is a three match ban, regardless of circumstance.

 

Same way a hard late cynical tackle is usually given the same punishment as someone taking their shirt off in celebration.

 

Looking to football for fair and equal punishment across offences is a waste of time.

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So there's no difference in striking someone really hard at will in the face and a baby slap like Gervinho's, provoked by Barton? I don't mean Barton should have the red card, but at least they could shorten Gervinho's ban to like 1 game or something.

Gervinho could probably be charged with assault if he did the former.

In football though raising your hands is a red and a 3 game ban, the same as even breaking a players leg with a rash tackle.

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So there's no difference in striking someone really hard at will in the face and a baby slap like Gervinho's, provoked by Barton? I don't mean Barton should have the red card, but at least they could shorten Gervinho's ban to like 1 game or something.

Looking to football for fair and equal punishment across offences is a waste of time.

Spot on :thup:
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Barton used excessive force and hence committed violent conduct.

 

I don't particularly agree with how it's worded but there should be equal application of the rules, no?

 

It just shows the issue with the application of the so-called rules of football. In other words:

 

Looking to football for fair and equal punishment across offences is a waste of time.

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The rules will be flexible, they'll be worded that way for guidance. Wullie iis spot on though.

 

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

 

Flexibility in terms of what is excessive force, sure, that is the referee's job to determine what is excessive force.

 

Barton used excessive force when not challenging for the ball. He is guilty of violent conduct. He should have been sent off.

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I think Song deserves more than anyone else.  Gervinho didn't have to slap Barton, regardless of what happened to get him into that position, but it wasn't pre-meditated like Song's was.  Song looked down and took a stomp, that's worse than what anyone else did on the day.

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The rules will be flexible, they'll be worded that way for guidance. Wullie iis spot on though.

 

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

 

Flexibility in terms of what is excessive force, sure, that is the referee's job to determine what is excessive force.

 

Barton used excessive force when not challenging for the ball. He is guilty of violent conduct. He should have been sent off.

If Barton pushed him he'd be using 'excessive force' man :lol:

 

Force should technicaly be never used AT ALL in an off the ball incident, but going word for word by those rules we'd see players sent off for jostling in the box before a corner.

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The rules will be flexible, they'll be worded that way for guidance. Wullie iis spot on though.

 

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

 

Flexibility in terms of what is excessive force, sure, that is the referee's job to determine what is excessive force.

 

Barton used excessive force when not challenging for the ball. He is guilty of violent conduct. He should have been sent off.

 

...but if you were to take 'excessive' as literal every player in the ruck could have been sent off.

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The rules will be flexible, they'll be worded that way for guidance. Wullie iis spot on though.

 

A player is guilty of violent conduct if he uses excessive force or brutality against an opponent when not challenging for the ball.

 

Flexibility in terms of what is excessive force, sure, that is the referee's job to determine what is excessive force.

 

Barton used excessive force when not challenging for the ball. He is guilty of violent conduct. He should have been sent off.

If Barton pushed him he'd be using 'excessive force' man :lol:

 

Force should technicaly be never used AT ALL in an off the ball incident, but going word for word by those rules we'd see players sent off for jostling in the box before a corner.

 

He hauled him up by his shirt, man. How many times do you see something like that? That's excessive force in my book.

 

I think Song deserves more than anyone else.  Gervinho didn't have to slap Barton, regardless of what happened to get him into that position, but it wasn't pre-meditated like Song's was.  Song looked down and took a stomp, that's worse than what anyone else did on the day.

 

Without doubt. Cowardly and malicious.

 

 

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