Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Ba is someone who can make something out of nothing and is better at scoring from flicks on and crosses.... Cisse can't do that. Cisse needs service and quite frankly the service has been abysmal and i never said anything about formation i use to complain about the formation but quite frankly the tactics and rigid set up of the team and our most creative players acting as defensive players which have been the reason why Ba and Cisse have been isolated. I think 2 strikers can work but not in the rigid set up with no off the ball movement and telling Cabaye and Ben Arfa to do more tacking than dribbling and passing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jack Flash Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Ba is someone who can make something out of nothing and is better at scoring from flicks on and crosses.... Cisse can't do that. What?! You miss the last 6 months of last season? Prepare to get battered, Cajun. That's not a popular view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Ba is someone who can make something out of nothing and is better at scoring from flicks on and crosses.... Cisse can't do that. He's scored from at least 7 crosses that I can think of since he signed, dude. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 I am, my views are never popular Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Ba is someone who can make something out of nothing and is better at scoring from flicks on and crosses.... Cisse can't do that. What?! You miss the last 6 months of last season? Prepare to get battered, Cajun. That's not a popular view. Comparing this season where you have extremely deep crosses with hardly any one in the box to distract defenders to last season where Cisse Ba and Cabaye would all be in the box and Ben Arfa wasn't standing on the half way line protecting Simpson is hardly the same thing. As i said i have hardly seen Cisse in the box all season and we all know the reason for that.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 2 out of his 4 goals this season have cone from crosses. It's not right to suggest he can't benefit from them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Maybe so but i'd argue Ba is much more adept than Cisse at scoring from crosses especially deep crosses where he has to beat a defender in the air or/and outmuscle him that's not Cisse's game. Anyway.... http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/696320650.jpg?key=524657&Expires=1354490739&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=Nb88h7z~a2QE5e96qVoIm0Qauzc2Rt~qZ4Pt~btx1nS8sL3QuZgILp5OuOk8c75lZYkvbHas1R5vAEVS3ZsvU5myb0lsVpwP2V-raCxbvLqnFpGm7cxLokv3O6Zu3JmvSQjQbiiMI-5EtUmtKuZyVgfZYECw1SRncMgA8fvFGV0_ Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Contract turned down? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Maybe so but i'd argue Ba is much more adept than Cisse at scoring from crosses especially deep crosses where he has to beat a defender in the air or/and outmuscle him that's not Cisse's game. Anyway.... http://d3j5vwomefv46c.cloudfront.net/photos/large/696320650.jpg?key=524657&Expires=1354490739&Key-Pair-Id=APKAIYVGSUJFNRFZBBTA&Signature=Nb88h7z~a2QE5e96qVoIm0Qauzc2Rt~qZ4Pt~btx1nS8sL3QuZgILp5OuOk8c75lZYkvbHas1R5vAEVS3ZsvU5myb0lsVpwP2V-raCxbvLqnFpGm7cxLokv3O6Zu3JmvSQjQbiiMI-5EtUmtKuZyVgfZYECw1SRncMgA8fvFGV0_ struggling to remember that happening even once. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 For example.... those two goals against Reading.... Cisse wouldn't have scored in my view. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 Paper Desperate To Fill Some Space Recycles Tired Story. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 For example.... those two goals against Reading.... Cisse wouldn't have scored in my view. the first one was straight down the middle (not back post) and i can't remember any challenge. the only back post header either has scored was cisse v liverpool. the second goal wasn't outmuscling anyone, he read it better and was there first. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 2, 2012 Share Posted December 2, 2012 For example.... those two goals against Reading.... Cisse wouldn't have scored in my view. the first one was straight down the middle (not back post) and i can't remember any challenge. the only back post header either has scored was cisse v liverpool. the second goal wasn't outmuscling anyone, he read it better and was there first. If we go back to my original post on the matter i talked about crosses and flicks on which regards to long ball.... Ba is better at all that in my view. Anyway i'll leave it at that i stated my opinion on it and that's about all there is to it really. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 DEMBA Ba has turned down Newcastle United’s latest contract offer, The Journal can reveal. The Senegal striker’s advisers have been involved in negotiations with the Newcastle board for several months but have been unable to come to an agreement, with Ba’s wage demands currently the stumbling block. That led to the latest offer – believed to have been tabled more than a fortnight ago and involving a significant pay bump for the striker – being turned down by the Newcastle forward’s representatives. That raises the possibility of Ba (pictured left) activating his £7.5million release clause in January, although the indications are that the player himself would prefer to stay on Tyneside, where the coaching staff are desperate to see the influential forward remain. There are no indications that Newcastle are ready to withdraw their offer and instead are taking a similar approach to the one that eventually found an agreement with captain Fabricio Coloccini after painstaking negotiations last year. But the forward’s representatives will have to lower their wage demands to push through a deal. Ba’s advisers want an agreement in excess of £80,000 a week, which would make him one of the club’s top earners. But Newcastle will not go to that and have compiled a list of back-up options if he does leave. The problem for the striker is that, while £7.5million does represent a good deal for interested clubs, there are additional costs and fees which mean that the deal is worth much more than just activating the release clause. His record is bound to prompt interest from home and abroad. A potential move to Turkey last season did not materialise but Liverpool have scouted the striker over the past few months, while Harry Redknapp was interested in the player when he was Tottenham manager. Quite whether Ba is prepared to swap Newcastle for another club in January is another matter entirely. Reports yesterday claimed a rift between the striker and Senegalese compatriot Papiss Cissé, but sources at St James’ Park have painted Ba as a model professional and the ongoing negotiations have had little effect on his form, which has see him hit eight goals so far this campaign. Boss Alan Pardew will not want to lose Ba but is realistic enough to know that his departure is a possibility. He admitted back in September – unprompted – that a release clause was still in the striker’s contract and that Newcastle are “vulnerable” to predatory clubs. “There is that clause in his contract and it makes us vulnerable. It’s still open in the next window,” he had said. In the meantime, the first priority for Pardew is to arrest a four-match losing run that has left the board expressing “concern” at the team’s precarious position. Wigan are tough opponents and despite a much-improved performance against Stoke there are unique demands on the team as they face the Latics tonight. He said: “It’s tactically a different game but that doesn’t mean we can’t dictate the agenda. The agenda of the game is us at home and we have to push to win because our form performances have let us down this year.” The Magpies have the chance to avenge last season’s FA Cup exit after they were drawn away to Brighton and Hove Albion in yesterday’s third-round draw. Mike Williamson’s own goal gave the Seagulls victory in January’s fourth-round tie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Demba wants double his wages? http://i.qkme.me/35n78j.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 What are these reports of a rift with Cisse? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 What are these reports of a rift with Cisse? Something people on here invented and is now assumed to be the truth. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Get rid and get a proper up and down support striker who is as comfortable in midfield as scoring goals. Someone with a bit of guile and intelligence like a Dembele or a Michu. I sense the end of DramaBa. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Just don't fucking go to Liverpool. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Was the night before a massive game really the best time for whichever party to leak this? Disappointing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 I think he'll be off in January. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dr Venkman Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 It'll be fairly ironic given the performances of the team this season, where he's been playing and why. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
GuyP Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Considering the racism row that is synonymous with Suarez, is Liverpool the best place to go? On a serious note though, Suarez + Ba = Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 It seems to me that Ba, for whatever reason, is not the one in charge of his own future. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted December 3, 2012 Share Posted December 3, 2012 Fed up with this bollocks. Get in a decent striker who can play wide left. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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