AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Because Cisse is clearly the more pure goalscorer and the mire instinctive finisher. IMO obviously. Wouldn't mind if he started showing it again. Until then your statement regarding Cisse being more clinical than Ba is a bit of a joke tbh. Not really, Cisse has scored less in large part because he has been played out of position in a team that's not performing. I can't believe anyone genuinely thinks that the central striker shouldn't be Cisse... it beggars belief based on the ability of both players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Because Cisse is clearly the more pure goalscorer and the mire instinctive finisher. IMO obviously. Wouldn't mind if he started showing it again. Until then your statement regarding Cisse being more clinical than Ba is a bit of a joke tbh. Not really, Cisse has scored less in large part because he has been played out of position in a team that's not performing. I can't believe anyone genuinely thinks that the central striker shouldn't be Cisse... it beggars belief based on the ability of both players. The last 3 matches? Really?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It depends on what has really gone on behind the scenes re: playing him on the left side of a 3. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It beggars belief? I really can't understand the opinion of Ba on here. Maybe if we paid for him or he scored the goal of the season he would get more credit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 We've lost five in six with Ba playing up top. Hardly a ringing endorsement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 We've lost five in six with Ba playing up top. Hardly a ringing endorsement. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It beggars belief? I really can't understand the opinion of Ba on here. Maybe if we paid for him or he scored the goal of the season he would get more credit. I love Ba to bits, it's just obvious to me that he's more suited to the wide role and Cisse is more suited to central. It's completely clear cut IMO. Obviously the alternative is just to drop Cisse completely. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 We've lost five in six with Ba playing up top. Hardly a ringing endorsement. The most idiotic emoticon going. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It beggars belief? I really can't understand the opinion of Ba on here. Maybe if we paid for him or he scored the goal of the season he would get more credit. I love Ba to bits, it's just obvious to me that he's more suited to the wide role and Cisse is more suited to central. It's completely clear cut IMO. Obviously the alternative is just to drop Cisse completely. Agree 100% with this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Career totals (from wiki) Ba: 209 apps, 104 goals Cisse: 248 apps, 109 goals Pretty similar tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 It does beggar belief in that we have two strikers who are fantastic up top but only one who can play a wider role, and he's not the one being asked to do it. Why is it so difficult to grasp? Rooney's a great goalscorer but often plays deeper for the team's benefit. Maybe Fergie should sacrifice that to get him ten more goals a season (and finish third because the team is weaker), personally I doubt it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jagten Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Yep. Whatever you think of Cisse/Ba, it is incredible that we've only used the front 3 of HBA - Cisse - Ba for one half this year. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 Ba's career goal stats prove that he's still able to get goals from wider - he's mainly played there before coming here. He's extremely good at it. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 We've lost five in six with Ba playing up top. Hardly a ringing endorsement. He should have defended better? It beggars belief? I really can't understand the opinion of Ba on here. Maybe if we paid for him or he scored the goal of the season he would get more credit. I love Ba to bits, it's just obvious to me that he's more suited to the wide role and Cisse is more suited to central. It's completely clear cut IMO. Obviously the alternative is just to drop Cisse completely. Ba was often criticised for his performances out wide last season so it's funny that this season he has suddenly become the natural choice there. Cisse's performances out there haven't been much different on the rare occasion he has played out there. Not sure why Ba is the obvious choice to play there when no-one really rated him out there before, why not play our most in form forward through the middle and the other out wide as it's neither of their natural position? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 think we would see the very best of cisse if/when ba leaves. I also think the shit form has been down partly to this side show. you have to ask yourself- he scores goals, yes, bus is the shite thats going on, leading to a low league position a price worth paying for those goals. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I was one who said that Ba isn't ideal for a wide role, and I still believe he isn't. In an ideal world he wouldn't have to play there. But he does OK, still gets a fair few chances and it enables the team as a whole to play much better, so for me there's no other option overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't quite understand the sharpening of the pitchforks for Ba on here. He seems to have become the new bloke to dig and moan at. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't quite understand the sharpening of the pitchforks for Ba on here. He seems to have become the new bloke to dig and moan at. And yet he's the only one doing his job properly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't quite understand the sharpening of the pitchforks for Ba on here. He seems to have become the new bloke to dig and moan at. And yet he's the only one doing his job properly. I don't see the point in purposefully ignoring and simplifying what people are saying, just so you can make a post like this. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 If RVP had played like Cisse, you think he'd still be playing? He's scored 2 league goals ffs, one a total fluke. 0 in the Europa. I would bench him. I reckon Fergie would bench RVP or more accurately Chicharito. Cisse's played up top a lot this season. If Cisse scored some goals there would be a legitimate discussion. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 He's been fanastic since we signed him. Many of us suspect that his ego is an issue and that he might be the reason we're not performing well as a team. It's a gamble to get rid of him as he's clearly a beast of a player. I'm more concerned with my team than losing one individual though. He might get 25 goals, but I'd rather have us playing well. I still don't think he's holding us back, and I think Pardew could get us playing well WITH Demba in the side. However, he's proving a problem for Pardew, who really is to blame here. To help him solve that problem, I think we might have to sell him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 How is it sharpening the pitchforks to say we should try our most successful set up from last season? Cisse has scored in Europe btw. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't quite understand the sharpening of the pitchforks for Ba on here. He seems to have become the new bloke to dig and moan at. And yet he's the only one doing his job properly. I don't see the point in purposefully ignoring and simplifying what people are saying, just so you can make a post like this. He's right though, Ba is a forward and is scoring goals (the majority of our goals unfortunately). There is this naive belief that the only reason Cisse isn't scoring is because we aren't playing 4-3-3. Pardew is definitely too cautious but I doubt there is a manager in the league who would take the forward who is scoring all the goals in a side struggling to get them and move him out wide to a position he struggled/failed to score from. If Cisse has been banging them away there would be more of a case but he hasn't, you can blame lack of service but Ba is dealing with the same problem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I thought Ba's general play was good when he played the wider role last season. It seemed to work when he and Cisse would occasionally swap around during the game too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted December 17, 2012 Share Posted December 17, 2012 I can't quite understand the sharpening of the pitchforks for Ba on here. He seems to have become the new bloke to dig and moan at. And yet he's the only one doing his job properly. I don't see the point in purposefully ignoring and simplifying what people are saying, just so you can make a post like this. the point is unbelievably facile. Had Cisse & Ba swapped positions on Saturday or Monday, would the other 9 players been any better? He's hardly Gareth bloody Bale out wide and atm Cisse isn't Cisse or Ba down the middle. Worst part about this Cisse shit, is that he's played down the middle a fair bit this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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