Tooj Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 You never know this might be one of those things that makes us unhappy at the time like Cole leaving yet makes us a better team in the long run. *trying to look for the positives* Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Some people need to accept that others have differing opinions. While I don't COMPLETELY agree, I think there is some logic to the theory that the team has been built around Ba which has benefited his stats but been to the detriment of the balance and fluidity of the team as a whole. We played 2 out and out #9s together in a flat 4-4-2 for most of the season. No team in Europe does that, and certainly not teams that don't have a decent natural winger to call upon. Ba was scoring yes, 'knicking goals' in spite but we were generally looking like a rigid pile of shit that was outnumbered in midfield, couldn't create a decent chance and losing. Now we're playing 4-3-3 with Ba through the middle and Cisse on Barrack Road. Our right midfield is Cisse/Simpson for fuck's sake. The team is all over the fucking place, even when we do attempt to play with a more fluid system. I'm not happy that Ba is going, because he's a good striker and has been largely excellent for us. That said, the results and performances have been shit this season. Apathy has well and truly set in and I'm open to the optimistic approach of 'he's gone, let's build without and try something new'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I find it strange how critical people have been of Ba/his game despite him scoring 13 goals and generally doing the business yet our big money number 9 signing gets off scott-free despite generally playing poorly and scoring few goals. I think its mad to think that switching Ba left and keeping Cisse central means automatic goals for Cisse and automatic better performances for the team. All this seemingly based on a handful of games last season where we clicked in that formation and with those players in those roles. If anything, Cisse is the odd-man out here and should be the one getting stick or at least being questioned. Ba seems to be a scapegoat of sorts and even responsible for our style of football in the eyes of some. The simple cold hard fact of the matter is this: he delivers. Cisse delieverd in a cameo type role when he signed but has struggled massively this season, regardless. We cannot simply blame Ba for his struggles nor our side's which are far deeper lying. I ask myself how good would Ba be in a free flowing attacking footballing side? Well for 75 minutes we were that side at the Emirates and he got two and played extremely well. If Cisse can only operate in one system, in one role, then perhaps its he that needs looked at and replaced and not Ba. His wonder goals and his amazing start after signing have clouded many's view of him. In some ways he seems untouchable. Again I like him and rate him but he has been nothing short of shite this season in general and that is simpky not good enough. Poor old Ba though... how many goals again?! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Some people need to accept that others have differing opinions. While I don't COMPLETELY agree, I think there is some logic to the theory that the team has been built around Ba which has benefited his stats but been to the detriment of the balance and fluidity of the team as a whole. We played 2 out and out #9s together in a flat 4-4-2 for most of the season. No team in Europe does that, and certainly not teams that don't have a decent natural winger to call upon. Ba was scoring yes, 'knicking goals' in spite but we were generally looking like a rigid pile of s*** that was outnumbered in midfield, couldn't create a decent chance and losing. Now we're playing 4-3-3 with Ba through the middle and Cisse on Barrack Road. Our right flank is Cisse/Simpson for f***'s sake. The team is all over the f***ing place, even when we do attempt to play with a more fluid system. I'm not happy that Ba is going, because he's a good striker and has been largely excellent for us. That said, the results and performances have been s*** this season. Apathy has well and truly set in and I'm open to the optimistic approach of 'he's gone, let's build without and try something new'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest sicko2ndbest Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Some people need to accept that others have differing opinions. While I don't COMPLETELY agree, I think there is some logic to the theory that the team has been built around Ba which has benefited his stats but been to the detriment of the balance and fluidity of the team as a whole. We played 2 out and out #9s together in a flat 4-4-2 for most of the season. No team in Europe does that, and certainly not teams that don't have a decent natural winger to call upon. Ba was scoring yes, 'knicking goals' in spite but we were generally looking like a rigid pile of s*** that was outnumbered in midfield, couldn't create a decent chance and losing. Now we're playing 4-3-3 with Ba through the middle and Cisse on Barrack Road. Our right flank is Cisse/Simpson for f***'s sake. The team is all over the f***ing place, even when we do attempt to play with a more fluid system. I'm not happy that Ba is going, because he's a good striker and has been largely excellent for us. That said, the results and performances have been s*** this season. Apathy has well and truly set in and I'm open to the optimistic approach of 'he's gone, let's build without and try something new'. One of your best Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Some people need to accept that others have differing opinions. While I don't COMPLETELY agree, I think there is some logic to the theory that the team has been built around Ba which has benefited his stats but been to the detriment of the balance and fluidity of the team as a whole. We played 2 out and out #9s together in a flat 4-4-2 for most of the season. No team in Europe does that, and certainly not teams that don't have a decent natural winger to call upon. Ba was scoring yes, 'knicking goals' in spite but we were generally looking like a rigid pile of s*** that was outnumbered in midfield, couldn't create a decent chance and losing. Now we're playing 4-3-3 with Ba through the middle and Cisse on Barrack Road. Our right flank is Cisse/Simpson for f***'s sake. The team is all over the f***ing place, even when we do attempt to play with a more fluid system. I'm not happy that Ba is going, because he's a good striker and has been largely excellent for us. That said, the results and performances have been s*** this season. Apathy has well and truly set in and I'm open to the optimistic approach of 'he's gone, let's build without and try something new'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Some people need to accept that others have differing opinions. While I don't COMPLETELY agree, I think there is some logic to the theory that the team has been built around Ba which has benefited his stats but been to the detriment of the balance and fluidity of the team as a whole. We played 2 out and out #9s together in a flat 4-4-2 for most of the season. No team in Europe does that, and certainly not teams that don't have a decent natural winger to call upon. Ba was scoring yes, 'knicking goals' in spite but we were generally looking like a rigid pile of s*** that was outnumbered in midfield, couldn't create a decent chance and losing. Now we're playing 4-3-3 with Ba through the middle and Cisse on Barrack Road. Our right flank is Cisse/Simpson for f***'s sake. The team is all over the f***ing place, even when we do attempt to play with a more fluid system. I'm not happy that Ba is going, because he's a good striker and has been largely excellent for us. That said, the results and performances have been s*** this season. Apathy has well and truly set in and I'm open to the optimistic approach of 'he's gone, let's build without and try something new'. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I find it strange how critical people have been of Ba/his game despite him scoring 13 goals and generally doing the business yet our big money number 9 signing gets off scott-free despite generally playing poorly and scoring few goals. I think its mad to think that switching Ba left and keeping Cisse central means automatic goals for Cisse and automatic better performances for the team. All this seemingly based on a handful of games last season where we clicked in that formation and with those players in those roles. If anything, Cisse is the odd-man out here and should be the one getting stick or at least being questioned. Ba seems to be a scapegoat of sorts and even responsible for our style of football in the eyes of some. The simple cold hard fact of the matter is this: he delivers. Cisse delieverd in a cameo type role when he signed but has struggled massively this season, regardless. We cannot simply blame Ba for his struggles nor our side's which are far deeper lying. I ask myself how good would Ba be in a free flowing attacking footballing side? Well for 75 minutes we were that side at the Emirates and he got two and played extremely well. If Cisse can only operate in one system, in one role, then perhaps its he that needs looked at and replaced and not Ba. His wonder goals and his amazing start after signing have clouded many's view of him. In some ways he seems untouchable. Again I like him and rate him but he has been nothing short of s**** this season in general and that is simpky not good enough. Poor old Ba though... how many goals again?! Nowt to do with where he is playing then? Maybe a bit like Ba's goalscoring tally playing on the left when he couldn't score for Toffee? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 thanks sewelly for articulating what I was stumbling through like a drunk with me trousers down. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 I like Cisse and he's a quality player but he is so limited its unreal. He's basically a hard working Owen type who plays on the last shoulder, and needs regular service. Ask anything else of him and he struggles. Ba is the complete centre-forward in terms of being able to do numerous jobs and roles. I don't know about that man, in his time here last season it looked as though he could do pretty much everything. He's a finisher first and foremost, but he has more to his game than that. Agree Rev Ba attributes Good strike Good in the air Holds it up well Cisse attributes 2 footed Great finisher Instinctive Quick Cisse is the better player Don't agree with that. Ba's strength has always been off the ball, making great intelligent runs, timing his runs to a tee thus getting on the end of things , i.e scoring , finishing, and he's good in the air. On the ball however is another story, bad decision making, taking far too long to decide what to do with the ball in procession, can't hold the ball up, and basically doing his usually trying to spinoff his marker run towards goal but 95 percent of the time losing the ball or gets fouled or he falls over. I disagree, he was immense at Arsenal holding the ball up, winning it, shielding it, using quick feet and close control. He was the same away to Liverpool too. He can look clumsy and play in that style but overall his general on the ball game is decent as is his all-round game. I think his biggest weakness is his vision and passing, he can be very sloppy when trying to play the ball and when it comes to spotting others' runs or a pass, he struggles at times. Exactly you inadvertently agreed with me, there's no point in him holding up the ball he hasn't got a clue what to do with it afterwards, poor vision and passing like you said. Usual foot over the ball thing that Jonas also does all the time, waste of time. If that counts as holding up the ball well I'd rather not have that. I do agree in parts but its like you are making out he has zero on the ball ability. I've seen him chest the ball down under heavy pressure, guard it, use quick feet and trickery to get out of a tight space, look up and play a good ball, many many many a time. He can do it, its just not his strength, its his weakest area. But even then he is not exactly piss poor at it in the same way Simpson is piss poor at crossing or Smith was at scoring. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 If it was up to me I'd keep both the fuckers, sign Remy too and have multiple options with 1 of them doing bench time. That's what we'd all want in an ideal world. That isn't going to happen though, because we've got unambitious tossers as owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Craig-NUFC Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Philippe Auclair @PhilippeAuclair Demba: no meeting's taken place, with anyone. Not yet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Philippe Auclair @PhilippeAuclair Demba: no meeting's taken place, with anyone. Not yet. For Fucks Sake Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 If it was up to me I'd keep both the fuckers, sign Remy too and have multiple options with 1 of them doing bench time. That's what we'd all want in an ideal world. That isn't going to happen though, because we've got unambitious tossers as owners. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Torres spat his dummy out? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Who is this Éclair? He sounds sweet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest malandro Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 To summarise. BA is a clumsy greedy prick who has forced Pardew into playing a direct 442 and is responsible for us being three points off a relegation spot. Without him Pardew will be able to play 433 with the vastly superior Cisse in the middle and we will stop shipping goals and rocket up the league playing like a northern version of Barca. Sounds optimistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 If it was up to me I'd keep both the fuckers, sign Remy too and have multiple options with 1 of them doing bench time. That's what we'd all want in an ideal world. That isn't going to happen though, because we've got unambitious tossers as owners. Aye. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Fuck off greedy prick @Sky_PhilForster: Been informed by sources very close to #cfc that Demba Ba having a scan tomorrow #nufc A scan on what? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 To summarise. BA is a clumsy greedy prick who has forced Pardew into playing a direct 442 and is responsible for us being three points off a relegation spot. Without him Pardew will be able to play 433 with the vastly superior Cisse in the middle and we will stop shipping goals and rocket up the league playing like a northern version of Barca. Sounds optimistic. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
littlelunchbox Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 "Not yet" Meaning, "come on, come and get me Chelsea" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Numbers Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 f*** off greedy prick @Sky_PhilForster: Been informed by sources very close to #cfc that Demba Ba having a scan tomorrow #nufc A scan on what? His exploding knee. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 If it was up to me I'd keep both the fuckers, sign Remy too and have multiple options with 1 of them doing bench time. That's what we'd all want in an ideal world. That isn't going to happen though, because we've got unambitious tossers as owners. not up to you, me or the club though thanks to the clause (without which he probably wouldn't have come in the first place). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Skirge Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 Fuck off greedy prick @Sky_PhilForster: Been informed by sources very close to #cfc that Demba Ba having a scan tomorrow #nufc A scan on what? They will want to scan he knee's before even bothering to talk terms and carry out a full medical Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ponsaelius Posted December 30, 2012 Share Posted December 30, 2012 If it was up to me I'd keep both the fuckers, sign Remy too and have multiple options with 1 of them doing bench time. That's what we'd all want in an ideal world. That isn't going to happen though, because we've got unambitious tossers as owners. not up to you, me or the club though thanks to the clause (without which he probably wouldn't have come in the first place). True madras, another point that needs acknowledging. None of us have any idea what he's actually asking for in terms of his contract either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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