Fabricio Coloccini (now retired)

[Pata]

Sad state of football or this sport that people seem so indifferent to the role of a captain within the club.  Maybe that's a byproduct of the poor captain choices we've had bar Kevin Nolan in recent history, but look at nearly every other sport in the world and the role of a captain is very well regarded and talked about. Perhaps that's something that's changed in modern football, or the clubs aren't really putting much importance on it, but as talented and classy Colo is, he's no club captain to me -- and I'm saying this as one of his biggest fans.

 

The thing is...how can we know if he's a good captain or not? He's not the most effusive motherfucker in the world, but that doesn't make him a bad captain.

 

Only the team knows if he's a good captain or not.

[Geordie Ahmed]

We need Coloccini to get the players going?

 

What the fuck is Pardew going to do?

[Incognito]

Isn't a trip back to France a little more reasonable and quicker travel time then heading ALL the way back to Argentina?

 

It's not like he's sailing there, those airplanes are decent I heard.

 

10+ hour flight vs. a few hour flight? I don't know if you travel a ton but 10 hour flight vs. a few hours make a hell of a difference man.

 

I know there's difference between a 10 hour flight and a few hour flight (and I've done them both numerous times  ) but it's not like he's doing it few times a week. He's there for a while and comes back when he feels better. I just honestly can't see the problem in either him going to Argentina or the time the flight takes to get there.

 

Because he's supposed to be setting an example to the other players regarding their responsibilities to the club, peers and and fans, perhaps? All of which, by the way, have stuck with Coloccini through thick and thin in spite of him trying to cower off home when we needed him most last season.

 

He's been f***ing rubbish so far this season, then he gets an injury and pisses off home before our most important fixture. What sort of captain is that?

 

You keep telling us that he's no leader. Would he really help us against the mackems in the sidelines? His family isn't here and I'm pretty sure the players and other people inside the club can understand it when he goes back to his family when he can't play. He's not the only senior player in the squad.

 

As club captain he should be there to offer support and maybe to gee the lads up. No excuse to be jetting home whilst injured tbh especially the captain.

 

 

As KI said, this is why he's no captain. f***ing joke he's still got the armband.

 

I just don't understand this. You have told us years that Coloccini is no leader and a bad choice for captain. Why does it bother you that he's not there Sunday?

 

The fact he isn't there enhances Ron's point surely to God?

[Wullie]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a fucking clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

[Jack Flash]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a fucking clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

 

Mertesaker I think.

[Ronaldo]

Isn't a trip back to France a little more reasonable and quicker travel time then heading ALL the way back to Argentina?

 

It's not like he's sailing there, those airplanes are decent I heard.

 

10+ hour flight vs. a few hour flight? I don't know if you travel a ton but 10 hour flight vs. a few hours make a hell of a difference man.

 

I know there's difference between a 10 hour flight and a few hour flight (and I've done them both numerous times  ) but it's not like he's doing it few times a week. He's there for a while and comes back when he feels better. I just honestly can't see the problem in either him going to Argentina or the time the flight takes to get there.

 

Because he's supposed to be setting an example to the other players regarding their responsibilities to the club, peers and and fans, perhaps? All of which, by the way, have stuck with Coloccini through thick and thin in spite of him trying to cower off home when we needed him most last season.

 

He's been f***ing rubbish so far this season, then he gets an injury and pisses off home before our most important fixture. What sort of captain is that?

 

You keep telling us that he's no leader. Would he really help us against the mackems in the sidelines? His family isn't here and I'm pretty sure the players and other people inside the club can understand it when he goes back to his family when he can't play. He's not the only senior player in the squad.

 

As club captain he should be there to offer support and maybe to gee the lads up. No excuse to be jetting home whilst injured tbh especially the captain.

 

 

As KI said, this is why he's no captain. f***ing joke he's still got the armband.

 

I just don't understand this. You have told us years that Coloccini is no leader and a bad choice for captain. Why does it bother you that he's not there Sunday?

 

The fact he isn't there enhances Ron's point surely to God?

 

You'd think so, like.

[Away Toon]

Ferguson in his autobiography talks about how certain players would try to dictate to him and the club how things should be run and battle with him to get more power. He just moved them on and quickly as well, for the good of MU. We are seeing the opposite at NUFC and have been for a long while, with many of the players just basically doing what they want, Colo, HBA, Cabaye for starters. Pardew hasn't the balls or hasn't the backing to do anything about it. It's ludicrous letting players fly home for a jolly and presumably paying them at the same time. If they are going home for treatment with the world's specialist in their particular problem, that's one thing, otherwise is brainless.

 

Most of the players don't care and don't understand what it means to play for us, all the more reason to treat the bastards with the iron fist they deserve.

[Pata]

Isn't a trip back to France a little more reasonable and quicker travel time then heading ALL the way back to Argentina?

 

It's not like he's sailing there, those airplanes are decent I heard.

 

10+ hour flight vs. a few hour flight? I don't know if you travel a ton but 10 hour flight vs. a few hours make a hell of a difference man.

 

I know there's difference between a 10 hour flight and a few hour flight (and I've done them both numerous times  ) but it's not like he's doing it few times a week. He's there for a while and comes back when he feels better. I just honestly can't see the problem in either him going to Argentina or the time the flight takes to get there.

 

Because he's supposed to be setting an example to the other players regarding their responsibilities to the club, peers and and fans, perhaps? All of which, by the way, have stuck with Coloccini through thick and thin in spite of him trying to cower off home when we needed him most last season.

 

He's been f***ing rubbish so far this season, then he gets an injury and pisses off home before our most important fixture. What sort of captain is that?

 

You keep telling us that he's no leader. Would he really help us against the mackems in the sidelines? His family isn't here and I'm pretty sure the players and other people inside the club can understand it when he goes back to his family when he can't play. He's not the only senior player in the squad.

 

As club captain he should be there to offer support and maybe to gee the lads up. No excuse to be jetting home whilst injured tbh especially the captain.

 

 

As KI said, this is why he's no captain. f***ing joke he's still got the armband.

 

I just don't understand this. You have told us years that Coloccini is no leader and a bad choice for captain. Why does it bother you that he's not there Sunday?

 

The fact he isn't there enhances Ron's point surely to God?

 

You'd think so, like.

 

How would he help us if he's no leader and a bad captain? Would you suddenly think he's a good captain and a great leader if he was there?

[Guest firetotheworks]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a f***ing clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

 

Surely it's only a token when it's given to someone that clearly isn't a leader?

 

Arsenal are playing well, which makes them a good choice for your point, except that they're that haven't won a thing since Vieira left.

 

I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, because Nolan was a poor midfielder, but a good captain. I just think calling it a token is daft when there are so many examples of captain fantastics.

[Ronaldo]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a fucking clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

 

Arsenal, by your own admission have a 'magic' manager and one of the very best in the business. We don't. If the players see (by your own admission again) an incompetent, cowardly manager and a captain who doesn't organise, is scared to challenge certain strikers and pisses off in two consecutive seasons when we need him, how the hell can we expect them to be as committed to the job as we'd like?

[Wullie]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a f***ing clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

 

Surely it's only a token when it's given to someone that clearly isn't a leader?

 

Arsenal are playing well, which makes them a good choice for your point, except that they're that haven't won a thing since Vieira left.

 

I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, because Nolan was a poor midfielder, but a good captain. I just think calling it a token is daft when there are so many examples of captain fantastics.

 

According to Google, it's Vermaelen who doesn't even get a game. Not sure Ozil and Ramsey seem to have noticed.

[Pata]

Ferguson in his autobiography talks about how certain players would try to dictate to him and the club how things should be run and battle with him to get more power. He just moved them on and quickly as well, for the good of MU. We are seeing the opposite at NUFC and have been for a long while, with many of the players just basically doing what they want, Colo, HBA, Cabaye for starters. Pardew hasn't the balls or hasn't the backing to do anything about it. It's ludicrous letting players fly home for a jolly and presumably paying them at the same time. If they are going home for treatment with the world's specialist in their particular problem, that's one thing, otherwise is brainless.

 

Most of the players don't care and don't understand what it means to play for us, all the more reason to treat the b******s with the iron fist they deserve.

 

Colo's family is living on the other side of the planet. Does him going there when he can't play really indicate that he doesn't care or understand what it means to play for us? He's a millionaire but still a human ffs.

[Kanj]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a f***ing clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

 

Surely it's only a token when it's given to someone that clearly isn't a leader?

 

Arsenal are playing well, which makes them a good choice for your point, except that they're that haven't won a thing since Vieira left.

 

I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, because Nolan was a poor midfielder, but a good captain. I just think calling it a token is daft when there are so many examples of captain fantastics.

 

Last statement further harping my point earlier that the idea that people have become so care-free towards a captain must be a byproduct of our crap captains we've had recently (ie Michael Owen). Captains have been pretty essential in nearly every single sport...so suddenly now nobody cares about them? Just odd to me.

[Ronaldo]

Isn't a trip back to France a little more reasonable and quicker travel time then heading ALL the way back to Argentina?

 

It's not like he's sailing there, those airplanes are decent I heard.

 

10+ hour flight vs. a few hour flight? I don't know if you travel a ton but 10 hour flight vs. a few hours make a hell of a difference man.

 

I know there's difference between a 10 hour flight and a few hour flight (and I've done them both numerous times  ) but it's not like he's doing it few times a week. He's there for a while and comes back when he feels better. I just honestly can't see the problem in either him going to Argentina or the time the flight takes to get there.

 

Because he's supposed to be setting an example to the other players regarding their responsibilities to the club, peers and and fans, perhaps? All of which, by the way, have stuck with Coloccini through thick and thin in spite of him trying to cower off home when we needed him most last season.

 

He's been f***ing rubbish so far this season, then he gets an injury and pisses off home before our most important fixture. What sort of captain is that?

 

You keep telling us that he's no leader. Would he really help us against the mackems in the sidelines? His family isn't here and I'm pretty sure the players and other people inside the club can understand it when he goes back to his family when he can't play. He's not the only senior player in the squad.

 

As club captain he should be there to offer support and maybe to gee the lads up. No excuse to be jetting home whilst injured tbh especially the captain.

 

 

As KI said, this is why he's no captain. f***ing joke he's still got the armband.

 

I just don't understand this. You have told us years that Coloccini is no leader and a bad choice for captain. Why does it bother you that he's not there Sunday?

 

The fact he isn't there enhances Ron's point surely to God?

 

You'd think so, like.

 

How would he help us if he's no leader and a bad captain? Would you suddenly think he's a good captain and a great leader if he was there?

 

I'll assume you're being sarcastic and leave it there.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Isn't a trip back to France a little more reasonable and quicker travel time then heading ALL the way back to Argentina?

 

It's not like he's sailing there, those airplanes are decent I heard.

 

10+ hour flight vs. a few hour flight? I don't know if you travel a ton but 10 hour flight vs. a few hours make a hell of a difference man.

 

I know there's difference between a 10 hour flight and a few hour flight (and I've done them both numerous times  ) but it's not like he's doing it few times a week. He's there for a while and comes back when he feels better. I just honestly can't see the problem in either him going to Argentina or the time the flight takes to get there.

 

Because he's supposed to be setting an example to the other players regarding their responsibilities to the club, peers and and fans, perhaps? All of which, by the way, have stuck with Coloccini through thick and thin in spite of him trying to cower off home when we needed him most last season.

 

He's been f***ing rubbish so far this season, then he gets an injury and pisses off home before our most important fixture. What sort of captain is that?

 

You keep telling us that he's no leader. Would he really help us against the mackems in the sidelines? His family isn't here and I'm pretty sure the players and other people inside the club can understand it when he goes back to his family when he can't play. He's not the only senior player in the squad.

 

As club captain he should be there to offer support and maybe to gee the lads up. No excuse to be jetting home whilst injured tbh especially the captain.

 

 

As KI said, this is why he's no captain. f***ing joke he's still got the armband.

 

I just don't understand this. You have told us years that Coloccini is no leader and a bad choice for captain. Why does it bother you that he's not there Sunday?

 

The fact he isn't there enhances Ron's point surely to God?

 

You'd think so, like.

 

How would he help us if he's no leader and a bad captain? Would you suddenly think he's a good captain and a great leader if he was there?

 

Again, he's no leader and no captain because he does things like this. It's chicken and egg.

[Guest firetotheworks]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a f***ing clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

 

Surely it's only a token when it's given to someone that clearly isn't a leader?

 

Arsenal are playing well, which makes them a good choice for your point, except that they're that haven't won a thing since Vieira left.

 

I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, because Nolan was a poor midfielder, but a good captain. I just think calling it a token is daft when there are so many examples of captain fantastics.

 

According to Google, it's Vermaelen who doesn't even get a game. Not sure Ozil and Ramsey seem to have noticed.

 

FWIW, (I think) it was Wilshire that has pointed out that Flamini coming back has given them more leadership on the pitch.

 

[WarrenBartonCentrePartin]

There's nobody in our squad anyway who I think is a stand-out choice for what defines a stereotypical captain.

 

Arguably Krul, but I'm not a fan of 'keeper's being captains.

[Wullie]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a f***ing clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

 

Surely it's only a token when it's given to someone that clearly isn't a leader?

 

Arsenal are playing well, which makes them a good choice for your point, except that they're that haven't won a thing since Vieira left.

 

I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, because Nolan was a poor midfielder, but a good captain. I just think calling it a token is daft when there are so many examples of captain fantastics.

 

According to Google, it's Vermaelen who doesn't even get a game. Not sure Ozil and Ramsey seem to have noticed.

 

FWIW, (I think) it was Wilshire that has pointed out that Flamini coming back has given them more leadership on the pitch.

 

 

Flamini's not captain though is he?

[Guest firetotheworks]

Who is Arsenal's captain? Genuinely haven't got a f***ing clue. It's a token job, might as well have a go at Monty Mag tbh.

 

Surely it's only a token when it's given to someone that clearly isn't a leader?

 

Arsenal are playing well, which makes them a good choice for your point, except that they're that haven't won a thing since Vieira left.

 

I'm not saying it's the be all and end all, because Nolan was a poor midfielder, but a good captain. I just think calling it a token is daft when there are so many examples of captain fantastics.

 

According to Google, it's Vermaelen who doesn't even get a game. Not sure Ozil and Ramsey seem to have noticed.

 

FWIW, (I think) it was Wilshire that has pointed out that Flamini coming back has given them more leadership on the pitch.

 

 

Flamini's not captain though is he?

 

No. Captains generally aren't stripped of their captaincy unless they've done something wrong. Colo has and shouldn't have the captaincy imo.

 

Like I said, the title doesn't mean everything, but that doesn't mean that it means nothing either. At least if you want to be successful anyway.

 

It was Walcott btw.

 

http://soccerlens.com/walcott-hails-leader-flamini-incredible-ramsey/117027/

[Guest palnese]

A mate told me he had heard something about Colo being out until the New Year. Anyone heard owt?

[Dokko]

A mate told me he had heard something about Colo being until the New Year. Anyone heard owt?

 

Mackem rumour.

[Guest]

All the fuss two years ago about saying we desperately needed to give him a long term deal. Hasn't exactly worked and will only really make Ashley and co feel even more strongly against long term contracts I players reaching 30.

[Cronky]

Presumably this is dictated by personal reasons more than anything.

 

I didn't think it was a great idea last season for the club to be putting so much pressure on Colo to stay. Sometimes you have to cut your losses.

[Guest]

Presumably this is dictated by personal reasons more than anything.

 

I didn't think it was a great idea last season for the club to be putting so much pressure on Colo to stay. Sometimes you have to cut your losses.

 

Not when we'd just given him a pretty big contract.

[Yorkie]

Call me old fashioned, but I don't like the idea of the club captain being on the other side of the globe for weeks on end.

 

Whether personal circumstances have dictated it, or whether he just doesn't fancy it any more, I genuinely don't see him as committed to the club any more. That's a grave shame because I've never seen a defender so consistently excellent like he was for the first two seasons back up. He was a credit to the club at that point and his performances, coupled with stories from other players off-the-pitch, left him worthy of the captaincy. I don't know the inner-workings of the dressing room, but I don't think the captaincy is a token gesture - it certainly shouldn't be, anyway. Theoretically, you should have leaders all over the pitch, but I believe the official captain should be tasked with going above and beyond the call of duty; an authority on the pitch, present when unfit (especially at an event that holds the gravitas of the derby), and be a general ambassador for the club. Colo's none of those things.