Unbelievable Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I've seen Colo have great games. Mbiwa has been solid at best. Colo has had over 200 games for us in central defence. How many has Mbiwa had? Twenty? Also, it's been quite a while ago that Colo has had great games for us consistently, and if he hadn't been awarded a very long bedding in period (that Yanga-Mbiwa is apparently not entitled to), including a season in the Championship, he wouldn't have even had those. Apart from experience I really fail to see what Coloccini offers nowadays that Yanga-Mbiwa doesn't, only one will only go downhill from here and the other has the potential to be a key player for years to come. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 If we had some genuine fret i would be happy to try Mbiwa at CB instead of Colo. But generally, I've seen nothing from the lad. Zilch. A fair turn of pace tis all. I'm sure he'll get a chance - Saylor and Colo are rather injury prone at this stage. But I don't get the clamour for his inclusion. He's shown nothing. Colo still shows he can read the game and be a calming indulgence. Mbiwa? Nothing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Not to mention MYM has pace, as Ronaldo pointed out the reason we are so deep constantly is to cover for Williamson and Colo's inability to deal with anything in behind them. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Colo got mugged in the air for the goal too. Based on performances this season it's a no-brainer. Reputation and status will keep Colo in the side. What's changed? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Colo got mugged in the air for the goal too. Based on performances this season it's a no-brainer. Reputation and status will keep Colo in the side. What's changed? as you know I'm not Colo's biggest fan but with all the changes in the final Third, I would go with the tired and tested for now. He tends to start league seasons well anyway. When it gets a bit cold he seems to go off the boil. I don't have any faith in Mbiwa too. I know he'll get a chance but I'm in no rush to see him out there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 He's been a regular member in the back 4 that's shipped nearly 130 goals in the last 2 seasons. He's not been culpable for all of them obviously but he's not exactly bullet-proof. He's the captain and is supposed to be the leader out there so he's fair game for (constructive) criticism. He's been bang average for the last 2 seasons and can't see him getting better unfortunately. Being the best CB we have (debatable) doesn't mean that much tbh. I agree with that, I think part of the problem is that Coloccini isn't the type of player who likes playing constantly under pressure. I still think he would excel if we played a more positive style of football but it's never going to happen under Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Colo got mugged in the air for the goal too. Based on performances this season it's a no-brainer. Reputation and status will keep Colo in the side. What's changed? as you know I'm not Colo's biggest fan but with all the changes in the final Third, I would go with the tired and tested for now. He tends to start league seasons well anyway. When it gets a bit cold he seems to go off the boil. I don't have any faith in Mbiwa too. I know he'll get a chance but I'm in no rush to see him out there. Tried and tested? if anything Williamson and Yanga-Mbiwa was tried and tested at that stage, yet cuntface had to break it up at the first instance and we've been a shambles at the back ever since. You're going on like Mapou is a 19 year old who's only just joined the club. Edit: ah, you said tired and tested. We may be in agreement after all Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Colo got mugged in the air for the goal too. Based on performances this season it's a no-brainer. Reputation and status will keep Colo in the side. What's changed? as you know I'm not Colo's biggest fan but with all the changes in the final Third, I would go with the tired and tested for now. He tends to start league seasons well anyway. When it gets a bit cold he seems to go off the boil. I don't have any faith in Mbiwa too. I know he'll get a chance but I'm in no rush to see him out there. Tried and tested? if anything Williamson and Yanga-Mbiwa was tried and tested at that stage, yet cuntface had to break it up at the first instance and we've been a shambles at the back ever since. You're going on like Mapou is a 19 year old who's only just joined the club. 3 games though? It's not like he was excellent either. I agree he didn't deserve to get dropped but I'm confident in saying Colo remains the superior defender of the two currently. If Pardew had any sense he would've given. Him Arun when we had nothing to play for. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lotus Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I don't like his partnership with Williamson one bit, especially when facing pacey forwards. Williamson and MYM were a much better combination, and even Saylor and Colo looked a better partnership. For me, the only centre back we have with any recovery pace is Yanga-Mbiwa, so he should play whenever he's available. Williamson to come in when facing an aerial threat, Colo to play otherwise (mainly because he's much better/more intelligent on the ball) and Saylor only in case of emergency. With Yanga-Mbiwa more or less frozen out we're absolutely desperate for another center back who is both commanding in the air and has decent recovery pace. Mbiwa hasn't done anything to suggest he should start tbh. Colo's still our most talented CB in my book. I disagree. Those games last season where he was partnered in central defense with Williamson were the most solid we have been defensively for quite some time. That was 3 games. Even so. First real chance he got to play in his natural position a few weeks running and it was cut short not because it wasn't working, but because Captain Fantastic returned from injury. You say he hasn't done anything to suggest he should start, but in reality we haven't seen anything to suggest he shouldn't. I have like. Everton Away stands as the worst CB performance i've seen from Newcastle CB. You haven't been watching us long then. Or you have but without paying attention. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Since those three games you keep mentioning (2 goals conceeded in total vs Man City, Chelsea and Spurs) we have played 29 competitive fixtures letting in 47 goals, mainly playing Williamson + Coloccini or Williamson + Saylor. Tried and tested indeed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Deuce Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Since those three games you keep mentioning (2 goals conceeded in total vs Man City, Chelsea and Spurs) we have played 29 competitive fixtures letting in 47 goals, mainly playing Williamson + Coloccini or Williamson + Saylor. Tried and tested indeed. "Don't play MYM because of that one performance in which the entire defense played terribly, but stick with the defense that's consistently been horrible." As others have said, the pairing of Williamson/Coloccini lacks pace, which leads to them being caught out. MYM provides that, at the very least, while also being good on the ball. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 One of the reasons the team sit so deep is the fact the CBs simply cannot handle balls over the top or being isolated in one-on-one situations. Your mate Souness described Colo's performance as 'solid' I've gone record saying if Souness was on fire I'd pass him some lighter fluid, so where this garbage has relevance is anyone's guess. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I think it's a bit unfair to say the first goal was his fault. Williamson was caught out by the ball over the top so Colo had to go with Dzeko , when Williamson saw that Colo had covered Dzeko,he should have covered for Colo 's original position in the middle and let Colo deal with Dzeko IMO. For the second I thought he did well initially to keep Aguero from turning onto his right but didn't anticipate the rebound at all which was an error. I can't comment on his performance in general because I only saw highlights Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Yaron Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 We need to refresh our CB position. Coloccini,Williamson and Saylor have been in the club for long time and its surprise me how some still think they worth something,it won't happen this season but hope they won't be here next summer Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I think it's a bit unfair to say the first goal was his fault. Williamson was caught out by the ball over the top so Colo had to go with Dzeko , when Williamson saw that Colo had covered Dzeko,he should have covered for Colo 's original position in the middle and let Colo deal with Dzeko IMO. For the second I thought he did well initially to keep Aguero from turning onto his right but didn't anticipate the rebound at all which was an error. I can't comment on his performance in general because I only saw highlights Actually now that I see it again why was he so far behind the rest of the defence in the defensive line on the second goal ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Not that I'm that fussed either way, but the way some people have talked about Mbiwa in here is weird. He's 25, and played nearly 200 games for Montpellier - not to mention he's actually been at Newcastle for a while. It would hardly be rushing him in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It wasn't solely his fault, Silva's goal was a calamity of errors from all 3 involved. Colo included. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It wasn't solely his fault, Silva's goal was a calamity of errors from all 3 involved. Colo included. It was also a brilliantly taken goal that few others would have scored. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Doubt that, not many would have had the presence of mind that Dzeko did to back heel it into space granted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 It wasn't solely his fault, Silva's goal was a calamity of errors from all 3 involved. Colo included. I don't think he did much wrong at all really for the first. He should have probably shouted at Williamson to cover him but Williamson should have known anyway when he saw Colo with Dzeko Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest n4e Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I thought the positioning for the first goal was horrible personally, he needed to trust Williamson. Seems to be a lack of trust and communication right throughout the defense, even Krul looked nervous and hesitant coming off his line that lead to a few close calls. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Can't believe people are excusing him for that first goal because it was brilliant play by Dzeko. He had his back to goal, only one player needed to go to him, it's that simple. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 Can't believe people are excusing him for that first goal because it was brilliant play by Dzeko. He had his back to goal, only one player needed to go to him, it's that simple. And because Williamson was out of position Colo was closest to Dzeko so had to go to him Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
leffe186 Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I thought the positioning for the first goal was horrible personally, he needed to trust Williamson. Seems to be a lack of trust and communication right throughout the defense, even Krul looked nervous and hesitant coming off his line that lead to a few close calls. Just watched the goals. The first is Williamson's fault, Dzeko is Coloccini's man. Colo has to come across with Dzeko, and as soon as the ball gets behind Willo he should have bust a gut to cover Colo. Instead, he gets in his way. There's an argument that maybe Colo does not communicate well enough, and obviously that someone should have tracked back with Silva, but i'd say Willo is more at fault than Colo. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
triggs Posted August 18, 2014 Share Posted August 18, 2014 I thought the positioning for the first goal was horrible personally, he needed to trust Williamson. Seems to be a lack of trust and communication right throughout the defense, even Krul looked nervous and hesitant coming off his line that lead to a few close calls. Just watched the goals. The first is Williamson's fault, Dzeko is Coloccini's man. Colo has to come across with Dzeko, and as soon as the ball gets behind Willo he should have bust a gut to cover Colo. Instead, he gets in his way. There's an argument that maybe Colo does not communicate well enough, and obviously that someone should have tracked back with Silva, but i'd say Willo is more at fault than Colo. All Colo is at fault for is lack of communication and Williamson shouldn't have needed to be shouted at to cover Colo anyway Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Create an account or sign in to comment
You need to be a member in order to leave a comment
Create an account
Sign up for a new account in our community. It's easy!
Register a new accountSign in
Already have an account? Sign in here.
Sign In Now