Optimistic Nut Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Is Harper better than Szczesny, Given, Robinson, Jaaskelainen, Cech, Howard, Schwarzer, Reina, Hart, de Gea, Begovic, Gordon, Vorm, Friedel, Foster, Al Habsi or Hennessy? Imo, he's not, he might be on a par with Ruddy & Kenny but can't see them moving for him because it's not a significant upgrade. Not sure any of the top Championship clubs need him (West Ham perhaps if Green goes?), and even the Old Firm don't need him with McGregor & Forster now up there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I just don't understand this at all. I can't wrap my head around it. We need a left back and a striker before the derby... I know, lets sign a goalie. I'm not even p*ssed off any more, I'm just laughing at it all now. It's not like signing Elliot will suddenly wipe out our interest in other players you know. But it is like signing Elliot could waste valuable time, the one thing we certainly don't have in abundance before the next game, which I don't know if you've noticed is a rather important one. Surely this could have waited till after the derby, with all our efforts focused on bringing in the all-important left back and striker that we absolutely need before the match? Not sure it wastes any time. It's not impossible to negotiate on multiple deals at one time. this is probably the worst of all the complaints "but signing him is wasting time on our other targets" Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dokko Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If Harper leaves I don't mind Elliot coming in as cheap backup to Krul while Forster goes out on loan again. Harper has to leave for this to make any sense for me like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nufcjb Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If Harper leaves I don't mind Elliot coming in as cheap backup to Krul while Forster goes out on loan again. Harper has to leave for this to make any sense for me like. just wish he would retire..no offence,,love this guy who's been a true professional at the club.. but I don't want to see him playing for another club. Retire and take up some coaching role at the club with a testimonial at the end of the season.. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If Harper leaves I don't mind Elliot coming in as cheap backup to Krul while Forster goes out on loan again. Harper has to leave for this to make any sense for me like. Harper leaving would make me question this deal even more. If Krul gets injured or his confidence dips due to a bad run of form who do we turn to? Rob Elliot from Charlton? Hardly the safe pairs of hands, an experienced head is he? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If Harper leaves I don't mind Elliot coming in as cheap backup to Krul while Forster goes out on loan again. Harper has to leave for this to make any sense for me like. Harper leaving would make me question this deal even more. If Krul gets injured or his confidence dips due to a bad run of form who do we turn to? Rob Elliot from Charlton? Hardly the safe pairs of hands, an experienced head is he? Agree with this. I'm happy as a replacement for Forster this season, but if it's because Harper's off too...we're very short there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Minhosa Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 If Harper leaves I don't mind Elliot coming in as cheap backup to Krul while Forster goes out on loan again. Harper has to leave for this to make any sense for me like. Harper leaving would make me question this deal even more. If Krul gets injured or his confidence dips due to a bad run of form who do we turn to? Rob Elliot from Charlton? Hardly the safe pairs of hands, an experienced head is he? Agree with this. I'm happy as a replacement for Forster this season, but if it's because Harper's off too...we're very short there. Fuck me Nut. Someone has stolen your log in details. Quick, they'll be calling Pardew a cunt soon. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
nobby_solano Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Elliot will be first choice next season this season will be a shop window for krul, he'll get sold in the summer as will forster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Sounds like Hilario to be honest. if nepotism for third choice keepers is good enough for Chelsea is it good enough for us? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I can't see Harper getting a first team spot at any Premier League club tbh. Norwich at a push. Still surprised they didn't go for Forster. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Green back to Norwich. Harper to West Ham. Random, baseless prediction for next week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Harper got paid a mint for being second choice keeper under Robson. From speaking to Harper when he was playing under Robson (or not) he was told the club were not willing to let him leave not even on loan. At the time Portsmouth wanted him for first team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Harper got paid a mint for being second choice keeper under Robson. From speaking to Harper when he was playing under Robson (or not) he was told the club were not willing to let him leave not even on loan. At the time Portsmouth wanted him for first team. I remember reading in Bobby's book they paid him a lot more than his ability and squad status should have done to appease him being cover for Given. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Harper got paid a mint for being second choice keeper under Robson. From speaking to Harper when he was playing under Robson (or not) he was told the club were not willing to let him leave not even on loan. At the time Portsmouth wanted him for first team. I remember reading in Bobby's book they paid him a lot more than his ability and squad status should have done to appease him being cover for Given. Doesn't mean he wanted to stay and sit on the bench though, he wanted to go on loan. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Why would we agree to that when we offered him a big contract on the basis he was our number 2? Not Portsmouth's keeper or whoever. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Why would we agree to that when we offered him a big contract on the basis he was our number 2? Not Portsmouth's keeper or whoever. Keep a player fresh in case he needed to be called upon with a clause in the loan to allow him to return if need be. Anyone pointless conversation for something which happened when we were once good. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Do Premier club-to-club loans have these clauses you mention? Can't think of any, other than Steve Caldwell back to us for the last day of the 03-04 season and that was mainly down to the fact we were desperate and Leeds were already down that they agreed to give him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
ToonTastic Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 Do Premier club-to-club loans have these clauses you mention? Can't think of any, other than Steve Caldwell back to us for the last day of the 03-04 season and that was mainly down to the fact we were desperate and Leeds were already down that they agreed to give him back. There were no rules to stop them back then so they could yes as you have just shown with your example. A Player on long term loan may not be recalled except for a goalkeeper or where the Player is to be transferred permanently by the Club holding his registered contract. A Player other than a goalkeeper so recalled cannot be permitted to play for the Club holding his registration after such recall until the end of the Season. http://thefa.com/TheFA/RulesandRegulations/~/media/Files/PDF/TheFA/FA%20Handbook%2009%2010/FA_Handbook_Full_Proof_NO_CROP.ashx/FA_Handbook_Full_Proof_NO_CROP.pdf Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Optimistic Nut Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 That was because of the last game of the season thing though and Leeds being down. I could just imagine Portsmouth being happy if they signed Harper on a season-long loan deal to sign him as their number 1, Given getting injured, and us recalling Harper leaving them screwed. Sure there's rules against that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Slarth Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I'm stunned, despite the desperate need for a LB & striker we've actually gone out & signed a GK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 This must mean we have completely decided we are fine and no longer require those two players. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 This must mean we have completely decided we are fine and no longer require those two players. For real? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
PineBarrens Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 I can't get annoyed at the news of this signing, as I doubt it takes away anything from the pursuit (stop laughing) of a left back or striker and may actually turn out to be decent signing(remember when Alan 'wide of the mark Oliver' stated Valencia would be laughing all the way to the bank regarding Enrique?). Besides, there are far more salient reasons to snipe at this regime that the acquisition of a potentially 3rd choice goalie. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ishmael Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 This must mean we have completely decided we are fine and no longer require those two players. http://gifsforum.com/images/gif/not%20sure%20if%20serious/mini/87582072.gif Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BlacknWhiteArmy Posted August 18, 2011 Share Posted August 18, 2011 This must mean we have completely decided we are fine and no longer require those two players. For real? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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