madras Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 You know full well I'm referring specifically to your point about his attacking effectiveness. Couldn't have made it more clear. and you know full well i'm talking about his play overall. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Arguing for the sake of it again. Have fun. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 What did he do that contributed to him being 'very poor' defensively? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 crikey dave, all I said was he was poor defensivly. attacking wise he's been a lot better, regardless of whether he created as goal or not. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 What did he do that contributed to him being 'very poor' defensively? caught out of position loads, even when he knew that position was getting targeted. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 What did he do that contributed to him being 'very poor' defensively? caught out of position loads, even when he knew that position was getting targeted. I don't have a great issue with that if it's due to coming back from an attack, as has been mentioned it's the responsibility of others to slot in for him too - that's something we have to work on as a team. Thought he generally mopped things up fairly well, especially in the first half. Wasn't amazing or anything but certainly don't think he was very poor either. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
madras Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 What did he do that contributed to him being 'very poor' defensively? caught out of position loads, even when he knew that position was getting targeted. I don't have a great issue with that if it's due to coming back from an attack, as has been mentioned it's the responsibility of others to slot in for him too - that's something we have to work on as a team. Thought he generally mopped things up fairly well, especially in the first half. Wasn't amazing or anything but certainly don't think he was very poor either. i differ. for me it wasn't often when he'd been attacking (as in their third, more so not getting back from the middle third) also it's not a general thing, just today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 I didn't think Santon was as bad as some are making out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 I thought he was alright going forward, his defending was poor at times, I think giving a Haidara a chance might be a good idea. Still think Santon is fantastic, just still seems bit burnt out Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
James Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 He's just tired in my opinion. We now have Haidara, use him, give Santon a break. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 defensivly poor today, attacking average. would put haidara in next week. not because of todays performance but we could do with a more solid , more orthodox full back in this sort of game. Agreed. Every game I watch him recently I come away with him being not defensively being good. Individually he's actually very good defensively, i don't see many attackers wreck him 1 v 1 its positional sense and knowing when to go forward and when not to he has troubles with. Anyway i don't think he was that bad ( apart from the 2nd goal) he was ok in both departments but ok isn't really good enough to me especially if Haidara keeps getting chances and keeps impressing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The College Dropout Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Didn't notice Gouff breaking his neck to stop the cross for the second. Where was Davide? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Smal Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 He's absolutely knackered, like. It's been clear for over a month despite him putting a couple of excellent performances in recently. He had no problems at all defensively in the first three months of the season (when he was more or less our best player coincidentally). Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest VanBarduck Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Would love to see him on the wing someday. Bale was always an average looking full back. Then he played a few games on the wing and boom worth 30mil Okay santon might not get that good but still i reckon he can be a good winger Same size , same speed and acceleration , powerful shot too, why not ? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 He's not the same size, acceleration or speed though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Didn't notice Gouff breaking his neck to stop the cross for the second. Where was Davide? I noticed this happening against Chelsea as well.... Santon would stay forward and Gouffran would track the runner. Ain't got a f*cking clue why though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
joeyt Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Thought he was alright today tbh Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cajun Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Santon was almost walking back watching their break. I like him a lot but stuff like that isn't good enough. If he is physically fucked then I can't really blame him though and he has played a lot this season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Santon was almost walking back watching their break. I like him a lot but stuff like that isn't good enough. If he is physically fucked then I can't really blame him though and he has played a lot this season. He has to be mentally tired as that was his 1st game in 2 weeks, no excuse for that tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ash Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Santon was almost walking back watching their break. I like him a lot but stuff like that isn't good enough. If he is physically fucked then I can't really blame him though and he has played a lot this season. Aye, not a fan of that, needs to be making more of an effort to get back into position faster than that. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 If he is getting too tired to track back he needs to be more clever when choosing his moments to attack. Will hopefully come with experience. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Tired FFS, he hasn't played for a while. Poor decision making that can worked on would be the proper excuse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wullie Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Three assists in his last three league games. Not bad considering how shit I keep reading he's been lately. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 24, 2013 Share Posted February 24, 2013 Three assists in his last three league games. He is improving offensively mind which is a good thing as for too long he looked like doing nothing when he approached the box. Be class if he can continue to improve offensively and iron out his defensive problems, having two fullbacks that teams have to be worried about He definitely needs to improve his decision making in defense and positioning though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted February 25, 2013 Share Posted February 25, 2013 He's using his left foot far more now and that's made him more unpredictable going forward. I strongly disagree it was his fault for that second goal, the whole point of having a 5 man midfield is because it's so versatile, the defensive midfielder should cover the full back when they bomb on. We can't expect the lad to attack and defend at the same time. Better organisation would protect the space he leaves open, which is something we need to work on still. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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