Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 We don't have to "muddle through" anything, we just need to turn up when we're playing the likes of Stevenage and Cardiff. You're talking as though the initial rounds are just pot luck and teams only begin trying when they can sniff the semi-final. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Yeah, makes far more sense to consider what could have happened over what did happen. Well you're dismissing it as if it's a joke, but you obviously have to consider the input right? Otherwise any talk about ambition, work rate, tactics etc is pointless, you may as well just list the results and make do with that. I think everyone would agree that doesn't tell the whole story in sport. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 We don't have to "muddle through" anything, we just need to turn up when we're playing the likes of Stevenage and Cardiff. You're talking as though the initial rounds are just pot luck and teams only begin trying when they can sniff the semi-final. I'm not saying that, I'm saying many teams play weaker sides in the cup and a lot of the time they get knocked out. Other times they make it to a point where they start wanting the cup more and act accordingly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Our team is prepared by a manager not taking the games seriously, as he cant cope with two games a week or extra games other than league ones, for a club run by people who dont want to be in the cups because it's not worth it financially. What more is there to see to know that's the truth. The evidence is there, as plain as the nose on your face. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Why aren't we capable of putting weaker sides out and still get through like many other PL sides can do? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest bimpy474 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Why aren't we capable of putting weaker sides out and still get through like many other PL sides can do? Because their managers handle the games far better than our limited one. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 'Muddle through'. Fuck me, we're a professional sports team. Just take the competition seriously and genuinely try to get as far as possible, especially this season. After whacking Stoke on Boxing Day we had 33 points on the board with another 20 league games to play, there's no excuse for having to muddle through past the worst team in the league at home. I left the ground that day almost convinced we deliberately threw it. To take the lead with less than half an hour to go and still lose stinks. The attitude and mentality was totally and utterly wrong and that comes from the manager. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 We don't have to "muddle through" anything, we just need to turn up when we're playing the likes of Stevenage and Cardiff. You're talking as though the initial rounds are just pot luck and teams only begin trying when they can sniff the semi-final. I'm not saying that, I'm saying many teams play weaker sides in the cup and a lot of the time they get knocked out. Other times they make it to a point where they start wanting the cup more and act accordingly. I doubt many teams in the mid to lower half of the league consistently play weakened sides to their Premiership rivals and send the kids out to sides a league below them with the intention of "taking it easy for 70 minutes" like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 The message from the top is that we're not interested in competing for the cups and completely coincidentally we always play like we're not interested in competing for the cups. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Welcome to IanWorld, where absolutely fucking everything is a coincidence! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Nothing changes but the seasons Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Why aren't we capable of putting weaker sides out and still get through like many other PL sides can do? I don't really know, a combination of things from luck, bad player performances to managerial mistakes etc. If the question was for me, I was making a point about approach and specifically not results. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Welcome to IanWorld, where absolutely fucking everything is a coincidence! What have I said that means that? My point is that many clubs prioritise the league over the cup, and many clubs find Europa a hassle they could do without. This is still a fact. BTW if it was up to me we would prioritise the FA Cup over everything. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Welcome to IanWorld, where absolutely fucking everything is a coincidence! What have I said that means that? My point is that many clubs prioritise the league over the cup, and many clubs find Europa a hassle they could do without. This is still a fact. BTW if it was up to me we would prioritise the FA Cup over everything. Is it just a coincidence then that (as per Wullie's post above) we have performed worse in the cups than all 19 other Premier League clubs over the last 7 seasons? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 People often have trouble conceptualising beyond four dimensions (being three spatial dimensions and time) but experiencing Ian W on this forum is a cracking example of how you can skip in and out of reality as we know it: leave the forum for weeks on end and return to find he's in the same thread, making the exact non-point as when you left. Remarkable. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Welcome to IanWorld, where absolutely fucking everything is a coincidence! What have I said that means that? My point is that many clubs prioritise the league over the cup, and many clubs find Europa a hassle they could do without. This is still a fact. BTW if it was up to me we would prioritise the FA Cup over everything. Is it just a coincidence then that (as per Wullie's post above) we have performed worse in the cups than all 19 other Premier League clubs over the last 7 seasons? That's very difficult to answer. We are worse than some of those teams, so that accounts for some of them. The others, I don't know enough about all the lineups, events of the match and anything else to say. The sample size is very small for it to be analysed just on numbers. I'm not seeking to explain away all out bad results. I'm saying our priorities are similar to a lot of clubs. IMO it's a problem with the structure of English football rather than us specifically. And as I said, as a fan I disagree with our priorities as I'm desperate to win a trophy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 It just feeds down throughout the club from the top when they say they are not bothered with the cups. This will bite the club in the arse eventually as players will want to leave to win things if they get the chance. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Hanshithispantz Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 How many teams really prioritise the League over the cups? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 People often have trouble conceptualising beyond four dimensions (being three spatial dimensions and time) but experiencing Ian W on this forum is a cracking example of how you can skip in and out of reality as we know it: leave the forum for weeks on end and return to find he's in the same thread, making the exact non-point as when you left. Remarkable. Sorry Beren, acting in your official capacity as debate standards enforcer here? Didn't realise everyone else changed their opinion on Mike Ashley regularly. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midds Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Welcome to IanWorld, where absolutely fucking everything is a coincidence! What have I said that means that? My point is that many clubs prioritise the league over the cup, and many clubs find Europa a hassle they could do without. This is still a fact. BTW if it was up to me we would prioritise the FA Cup over everything. Is it just a coincidence then that (as per Wullie's post above) we have performed worse in the cups than all 19 other Premier League clubs over the last 7 seasons? Just some kind of weird science going against us. It's fucking disgusting. Even attempting to defend it is even worse. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Interpolic Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Welcome to IanWorld, where absolutely fucking everything is a coincidence! What have I said that means that? My point is that many clubs prioritise the league over the cup, and many clubs find Europa a hassle they could do without. This is still a fact. BTW if it was up to me we would prioritise the FA Cup over everything. Is it just a coincidence then that (as per Wullie's post above) we have performed worse in the cups than all 19 other Premier League clubs over the last 7 seasons? That's very difficult to answer. We are worse than some of those teams, so that accounts for some of them. The others, I don't know enough about all the lineups, events of the match and anything else to say. The sample size is very small for it to be analysed just on numbers. I'm not seeking to explain away all out bad results. I'm saying our priorities are similar to a lot of clubs. IMO it's a problem with the structure of English football rather than us specifically. And as I said, as a fan I disagree with our priorities as I'm desperate to win a trophy. What about the numerous ones that we're better than? Or the many Football League clubs that have done well, many of whom will have had their own aims for the season including promotion, escaping relegation, etc? 7 years is too small a sample mind, we'll have to wait until Ashley's been in charge 30 or 40 years to be sure. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Beren Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 People often have trouble conceptualising beyond four dimensions (being three spatial dimensions and time) but experiencing Ian W on this forum is a cracking example of how you can skip in and out of reality as we know it: leave the forum for weeks on end and return to find he's in the same thread, making the exact non-point as when you left. Remarkable. Sorry Beren, acting in your official capacity as debate standards enforcer here? Didn't realise everyone else changed their opinion on Mike Ashley regularly. Not at all. Feel free to continue posting as you are and have been. I enjoy reading your posts. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
colinmk Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 Ian, I'm not sure why saying it is a problem with the structure of English football would explain why our performance are worse than the majority of English teams in an English competition. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 There's just no excuse for it. The reasons given aren't valid enough. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted March 10, 2014 Share Posted March 10, 2014 I wasn't giving reasons for our defeats, I was saying out priorities are similar to many clubs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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