Belfast Mags Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 I actually don't think he's done it deliberately to spite the fans. Although he probably holds a grudge and enjoys the uproar, I think his actions are simply those of someone who's clueless about football and someone who doesn't give a shit about the consequences of his decisions from a moral viewpoint. As opposed to a constructed attempt to be 'evil', he's just careless, selfish and ignorant. The one thing that separates great businessmen from good businessmen is normally; vision. The vision to see something that isn't there currently, that could/should be there. Back that up with a strong decisive 5 or 10 or whatever year plan and see it through, ironing out the problems along the way. This doesn't feel like that at all IMO. It honestly wreaks of somebody just trolling for the sake of it, because he can. I cannot for the life of me, see what Joe Fucking Kinnear can bring to this party other than mayhem. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stuy_O Posted June 18, 2013 Share Posted June 18, 2013 Aye, its all comes down to cost really and getting Pardew to quit and replace him with Kinnear is likely the cheapest solution for him. Still utterly ridiculous like. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I really can't see how bringing in Kinnear as a DoF to get Pardew to walk is cost effective. Firstly, Pardew is on a low basic wage, so the payoff would be less than what previous managers like Allardyce got. Secondly, and more importantly, if this is indeed the plan, all it would take is for Pardew to start gathering evidence in the form of mails, voicemails or even his own meeting notes to have a very good case for constructive dismissal. Ashley/the club have been found guilty of this before, and this time the case would be even more convincing as Kinnear is being such a moron out in the open. If found guilty of constructive dismissal a second time, dragging our name through the mud again in the process, the payout would be no less than it would be for a straight sack, and quite probably way more as Pardew could then claim part of the bonus' he could have made, as well as declaring they've made him unemployable. Didn't Keegan charge for 25 million at the time? So, I fear Pardew is here to stay, and Ashley genuinely thinks bringing back Kinnear to help the football side of the club out is a good idea as wacky as that sound to anyone with a modicum of sanity. The fact it's pissing us off is a nice little bonus for him too. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stu Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Pardew and Llambias are apparently in a different camp to Ashley and his drinking buddy JFK. It's going to be total carnage with JFK spouting off each week. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
MW Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Could Pardew have similar grounds to keegan for suing? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Could Pardew have similar grounds to keegan for suing? Did you read my post? I'd say he'd have an excellent chance, especially with Ashley already found guilty once and Kinnear being so open about interfering with Pardew's remit. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Could Pardew have similar grounds to keegan for suing? I believe so. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tooj Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Could Pardew have similar grounds to keegan for suing? Depends on what his contract says and I'm sure after the Keegan case they'll have made sure that Pardew's contract probably says something about coaching and picking the team. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Could Pardew have similar grounds to keegan for suing? I believe so. Is it not very likely that Pardew signed his contract knowing something like this could happen? Remember why and how he got the job. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unbelievable Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Could Pardew have similar grounds to keegan for suing? I believe so. Is it not very likely that Pardew signed his contract knowing something like this could happen? Remember why and how he got the job. I don't think anyody except Fat Mike knew what was coming... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AlanSkÃrare Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I think he might be preparing to sell up. The last time he got Kinnear in, that was the plan. Could explain the short contract as well. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I thought constructive dismissal was more about working conditions, and someone making it impossible for you to do your job, rather than the terms of the contract. You could be expected to report into a DOF but still be constructively dismissed if that individual forces you out by making your job impossible. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
worthy Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 fuck off and die. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SGSC Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Is this real life? How does somebody like this exist? He must be deranged. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I thought constructive dismissal was more about working conditions, and someone making it impossible for you to do your job, rather than the terms of the contract. You could be expected to report into a DOF but still be constructively dismissed if that individual forces you out by making your job impossible. Keegan agreed to the DOF role but was unable to do his job due to the conditions it created. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 The Mike, The Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
NEEJ Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 Mike Ashley is a cunt. Nice of my predictive text to know that Ashley was to follow Mike before I'd even typed A. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Big Geordie Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I imagine Pardew will be seeking legal advice, hence nothing from him over the last couple of days. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 I thought constructive dismissal was more about working conditions, and someone making it impossible for you to do your job, rather than the terms of the contract. You could be expected to report into a DOF but still be constructively dismissed if that individual forces you out by making your job impossible. Keegan agreed to the DOF role but was unable to do his job due to the conditions it created. Yep, that's what I mean. The terms of his contract aren't as important as the conditions on the ground. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 As someone else has said, I can't shake the feeling that this smells like the club is being sold. I just cannot envision Kinnear being at the club come the start of the season sitting in the stands. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 As someone else has said, I can't shake the feeling that this smells like the club is being sold. I just cannot envision Kinnear being at the club come the start of the season sitting in the stands. Why would it mean the club is being sold? I'm going to ask this in every thread until someone comes up with a reason! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
themanupstairs Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 As someone else has said, I can't shake the feeling that this smells like the club is being sold. I just cannot envision Kinnear being at the club come the start of the season sitting in the stands. Why would it mean the club is being sold? I'm going to ask this in every thread until someone comes up with a reason! Maybe the JFK circus act is a giant smokescreen while new suitors conduct DD? I'm not basing it on anything other than a nagging feeling. It's just too surreal, and I'm quite probably too naive to believe that this is the way NUFC will be run going into the new season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wilson Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 nothing suggests it's being sold like. All it suggests to me is ashleys brought in kinnear as it's his mate, people aren't taking it well, ashley doesn't care. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
midstoon Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 As someone else has said, I can't shake the feeling that this smells like the club is being sold. I just cannot envision Kinnear being at the club come the start of the season sitting in the stands. Why would it mean the club is being sold? I'm going to ask this in every thread until someone comes up with a reason! I Don't think he is. you would'nt smash the windows on your car & then try to sell it & get a decent price. All Ashley is doing by hiring JFK is lowering the price he would get for the club Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
bealios Posted June 19, 2013 Share Posted June 19, 2013 As someone else has said, I can't shake the feeling that this smells like the club is being sold. I just cannot envision Kinnear being at the club come the start of the season sitting in the stands. Why would it mean the club is being sold? I'm going to ask this in every thread until someone comes up with a reason! Ashley is incredibly loyal to those around him. In his eyes JFK helped him out when he most needed it, when no-one in the football world would have touched the NUFC job with a barge pole in the days and weeks after Keegan left. In Ashley's eyes, he helped take a little bit of the flack away from him. Might feel somewhat responsible for his subsequent heart issues. Sticks JFK in on a 3 year fixed contract, knowing that any new owner would need to pay the whole contract out (which would come out of the club's funds not Ashley's pocket). So there you go, clearly selling the club. What other possible reason could there be to appoint JFK as director of football. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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