AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't know if 'you've not been supporting the club very long' is a valid reason for people to have low expectations. Surely if you've been following the club for longer you would tend to have lower expectations rather than higher? How is being part of what we achieved in the 90s going to make you have lowered expectations now? If you can remember those days - which I can, vividly - you just know we are a shadow of the club we were now, and we should be expecting far better, which we certainly would under a more ambitious and committed owner. I mean, the 90s wasn't very long ago. What about all the stuff before then? I know we've tasted relatively recent success, and that raises expectations of course. But the bigger picture is not so rosy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I don't know if 'you've not been supporting the club very long' is a valid reason for people to have low expectations. Surely if you've been following the club for longer you would tend to have lower expectations rather than higher? How is being part of what we achieved in the 90s going to make you have lowered expectations now? If you can remember those days - which I can, vividly - you just know we are a shadow of the club we were now, and we should be expecting far better, which we certainly would under a more ambitious and committed owner. I can remember the 90s very well and yes 93-98 was a purple patch for us but now we are just mediocre....other clubs have had purple patches recently far better than ours....Leeds, Forest even Ipswich these clubs all won major honours. The 90s as you describe we won fuck all yes the football was amazing and exciting to watch but ultimately we won nothing. It doesn't give us the divine right because we are NUFC to think we are any more deserving than their fans I've been watching us for 36 years merlin to answer your question previously so yes I've seen shite Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest reefatoon Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I remember it all from the early 80's when I started going, and the time in the 90's under Keegan and Robson, was a good blip. The rest of my time supporting us, it has been years of utter depressing s****. God, some of it was grim. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
biggs Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Charles Green selling his shares at Rangers i see http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23767983 Only hoping Cashley buys them up and bids for club and in so sells us ,wishful thinking i know Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
J7 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I presume pre-90s we werent the team with the 7th biggest turnover in England or the 20th in the world. And thats without even trying to increase turnover. How we were back then shouldn't have any effect on expectations now or what we're going to do going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I remember it all from the early 80's when I started going, and the time in the 90's under Keegan and Robson, was a good blip. The rest of my time supporting us, it has been years of utter depressing s****. God, some of it was grim. That's reassuring! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 I remember it all from the early 80's when I started going, and the time in the 90's under Keegan and Robson, was a good blip. The rest of my time supporting us, it has been years of utter depressing s****. God, some of it was grim. Too right it was grim watching such superstars as Malcolm brown,Wayne fereday and the powerhouse striker that was tony Cunningham...then we all get excited at Micky Quinn. Very much like the mackems at this time we were fed on a diet of 2nd division dross Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Leeds FFS 1st they'd have to buy there stadium and training ground, then increase the capacity, then fill it consistently get promoted, replace the whole squad etc just to get up to us. We are a decent owner and manager and a couple of players away from being regular top 7 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
geordiedean Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Leeds FFS 1st they'd have to buy there stadium and training ground, then increase the capacity, then fill it consistently get promoted, replace the whole squad etc just to get up to us. We are a decent owner and manager and a couple of players away from being regular top 7 That argument doesn't stand up as every team is a decent owner and manager away from being a top 7 regular...Leeds hit the skids and had to scrap to survive very much like we would have to in the same circumstance all these clubs in the championship that have experienced top success since the 70s are a good owner and manager away from being a Swansea a west brim or Norwich etc....FFS Southampton were a league 1 club 4 years ago now they are spending 40m plus a season in the prem...blowing us out of the water..football can change so quickly Let's see where we are this time next year.. I very much doubt it will be as a premier league team Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
dilligaf Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 And we'd still be a better option than Leeds Are you deliberately twisting this, You asked 'what makes people think that we are a bigger club than Leeds' and I told you. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
timeEd32 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Leeds FFS 1st they'd have to buy there stadium and training ground, then increase the capacity, then fill it consistently get promoted, replace the whole squad etc just to get up to us. We are a decent owner and manager and a couple of players away from being regular top 7 That argument doesn't stand up as every team is a decent owner and manager away from being a top 7 regular...Leeds hit the skids and had to scrap to survive very much like we would have to in the same circumstance all these clubs in the championship that have experienced top success since the 70s are a good owner and manager away from being a Swansea a west brim or Norwich etc....FFS Southampton were a league 1 club 4 years ago now they are spending 40m plus a season in the prem...blowing us out of the water..football can change so quickly Let's see where we are this time next year.. I very much doubt it will be as a premier league team Not to mention the value increase in going from the Championship to the PL is much greater than turning a mid-table side into a top-7 team. Now if you have oil money and want a CL contender then that would be a) more high profile and b) lucrative. But if you're only kind of rich, then taking a lower league club to the Premier League is a much better return on investment. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 on the subjest of shit/ good. I started going in early 70s with my dad- properly started going when keegan signed- away games, season tickets etc. gave up season tickets late 90s and only go occaisionally now. Most of the time we have been a shit selling club. the jim Smith era sticks with me as a mega grim time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chicken little Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Most of the time we have been a s*** selling club. the jim Smith era sticks with me as a mega grim time. At least from that time we got Watson, Clark, Elliott, Howey.. maybe that was a fluke (couple of) year (s), but it probably matches the youth set-up's entire contribution to the first team since the Hall takeover* - perhaps it was case of necessity being the mother of invention and all that. Urgh, now I'm sat here thinking about 1990-92. Rancid seasons. * - Hughes, Harper, Taylor, Ameobi...? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
cp40 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Most of the time we have been a s*** selling club. the jim Smith era sticks with me as a mega grim time. At least from that time we got Watson, Clark, Elliott, Howey.. maybe that was a fluke (couple of) year (s), but it probably matches the youth set-up's entire contribution to the first team since the Hall takeover* - perhaps it was case of necessity being the mother of invention and all that. Urgh, now I'm sat here thinking about 1991-92. Rancid season. * - Hughes, Harper, Taylor, Ameobi...? grimmest time for me ever as a fan, after we lost the play offs to Sunderland until Ardiles was sacked was just shit tbh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paully Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 http://m.shieldsgazette.com/sport/football/newcastle-united/breakdown-of-mike-ashley-s-transfer-dealings-reveal-18m-profit-1-5973100 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Andy Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Pretty flawed article since it doesn't take salaries, signing on fees and whatnot into account. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
BottledDog Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Also, it would be at least fairly useful if I could trust the numbers they do have, but considering most transfer fees etc are never released, much of it is guess work. And if I were guessing, I'd say there is no chance we got £18 million for Enrique and Bassong. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Yes I remember at the time we paid a world record fee for free transfer Ba Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Pretty flawed article since it doesn't take salaries, signing on fees and whatnot into account. Salaries should bump the figure up not down, considering our wage bill is quite a bit less than it was when Ashley took over. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shearergol Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Pretty flawed article since it doesn't take salaries, signing on fees and whatnot into account. I'd guess the outgoing salaries are higher than the incoming ones though.... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teohgk Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Pretty flawed article since it doesn't take salaries, signing on fees and whatnot into account. the problem is i've never heard anyone or clubs includes those into account when talking about transfers revenue, even we ourselves included those expense only after Ashley took over the club. supposedly those should be paid by tickets,merchandising and advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Also, it would be at least fairly useful if I could trust the numbers they do have, but considering most transfer fees etc are never released, much of it is guess work. And if I were guessing, I'd say there is no chance we got £18 million for Enrique and Bassong. We did get £10 million for Bassong, the Enrique fee is the only one that looks out to me from going through the full list. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 the problem is i've never heard anyone or clubs includes those into account when talking about transfers revenue, even we ourselves included those expense only after Ashley took over the club. supposedly those should be paid by tickets,merchandising and advertisement Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
teohgk Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 the problem is i've never heard anyone or clubs includes those into account when talking about transfers revenue, even we ourselves included those expense only after Ashley took over the club. supposedly those should be paid by tickets,merchandising and advertisement yup only if we're paid Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Darth Crooks Posted August 21, 2013 Share Posted August 21, 2013 Finance detail and location aside. This guy is fucking us over royally; in a football sense, the enjoyment of being a football fan and in respecting us as intelligent (on the whole) human beings. This is regardless of whether it is intended or not. Anyone not on concerned with any of the above can pack up their troubles and fuck off. I'd take 17th in a heartbeat if is meant this maniacal turd fucked off at the end of the season. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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