Dogawful Officiating

[AyeDubbleYoo]

1 hour ago, TK-421 said:

And there was me thinking that was part of why VAR was brought in... to correct these 'clear and obvious' refereeing mistakes in game??!!!

Good job we still won that match then. Much like the Ramsey red card, too.... though he still missed an FA Cup tie because of that decision.

Think the problem is clear and obvious really means to the referee in real time, not after looking at detailed replays many times. Think a lot of the time it’s like “was it understandable he didn’t give that live?”  
 

Shouldn’t have anything to do with the on-field decision IMO. Should just be “what is the correct decision given what we can see on this video?”

[bobbydazzla]

 

 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/articles/ce84xpdedpvo

 

 

 

 

 

Edited March 30 by bobbydazzla

[Benwell Lad]

Absolutely nothing wrong with VAR in principle, in fact it's a good thing given how bad refereeing can be at times, and the tens of millions at stake at the highest levels of the game.

It's the execution of it which creates the negativity and hairline offsides are the worst thing. Introduce clear daylight for offsides and let VAR concentrate on missed fouls, handballs, clear deception etc.

[Belfast Boy]

Moving an offside line to "clear daylight", feet only, or any other idea still means VAR will spend minutes analysing that line

[Beren]

1 hour ago, Benwell Lad said:

Absolutely nothing wrong with VAR in principle, in fact it's a good thing given how bad refereeing can be at times, and the tens of millions at stake at the highest levels of the game.

It's the execution of it which creates the negativity and hairline offsides are the worst thing. Introduce clear daylight for offsides and let VAR concentrate on missed fouls, handballs, clear deception etc.

 

I like the idea of NFL style usage - where manager's get one 'challenge' per half. Think it would be hilarious to watch someone like Arteta burn his challenges in the first five minutes of each half.  Meanwhile, someone like Howe would have the lowest challenge rate in the league because he's too prim and proper.

[Elbel1]

From The Athletic and posted without comment 

 

Premier League assistant referee Richard West is expected to retain his appointment for Manchester United against Leeds United on Monday despite facing allegations of inappropriate behaviour towards a female employee in his role as a sergeant at Humberside Police.

 

The 51-year-old is the subject of a gross misconduct hearing slated for April 27 after a female colleague in the police force lodged a complaint against the official

[Nucasol]

1 hour ago, Elbel1 said:

From The Athletic and posted without comment 

 

Premier League assistant referee Richard West is expected to retain his appointment for Manchester United against Leeds United on Monday despite facing allegations of inappropriate behaviour towards a female employee in his role as a sergeant at Humberside Police.

 

The 51-year-old is the subject of a gross misconduct hearing slated for April 27 after a female colleague in the police force lodged a complaint against the official

Vibes of Fred West rather than Dick West.

[Wallsendmag]

This family of dog shaggers continue to be a thorn in our side. See absolutely loads of challenges like that every week in the Premier League and the % of them given as penalties is absolutely miniscule.

 

 

Edited April 12 by Wallsendmag

[Pata]

Fuck off man, absolute bullshit all game capped off by that mental penalty decision.

[Pata]

Just now, Wallsendmag said:

This family of dog staggers continue to be a thorn in our side. See absolutely loads of challenges like that every week in the Premier League and the % of them given as penalties is absolutely miniscule.

There’s a worse shirt pull in every single corner that has ever been taken.

[Kid Icarus]

I can't take it anymore

 

[midds]

In isolation then it's a pen, without a doubt, he's got a handful of his shirt and you freeze it at the right moment and it's blatant. The issue is the fact that it's only given once, for one team, in one box and costs a team a goal and a point or 2 as a direct result. If they gave it every time then that's fine. If they ignored it every time then that's fine. But to ignore everything for 91 minutes and then suddenly give it once and it have a direct impact on the result of the game is shameful stuff. 

 

Likewise the Joelinton foul is probably a yellow but the same ref allows Munoz to commit 6 fouls without a yellow for totting up is just as bad. Referees have been a disgrace this year

[AyeDubbleYoo]

You can't give a penalty at random for something that is let go 99% of the time. It's criminal. 

[geordie_b]

He’s being held whilst holding their player. Difference is, one player threw himself to the floor and was given the pen. 

[Sir Joel Inton]

Thought it was a stonewall penalty to be honest. For once you can actually see the action of the shirt pull changing the movement of the impacted player, admittedly before he feels it and throws himself to the floor dramatically.

 

The issue of consistency is a different conversation but not sure how anyone can dispute that being a foul.

 

 

Edited April 12 by Sir Joel Inton

[Benwell Lad]

Said so many times previously no Madley should be allowed anywhere near a Newcastle game, in any capacity.

They hate us and it have consistently cost us with corrupt decisions over many years.

Yes, it's a foul but the consistency and timing aspect has been eloquently explained in the posts above.

 

 

Edited April 12 by Benwell Lad

[Yorkie]

This is just the nature of penalties but it's absolutely mental how that action from Botman is rewarded with his team losing the game. They're such an insanely disproportionate punishment at times. 

[geordiesteve710]

Botman was being held as well but holding onto a shirt in the box as blatantly as that is just asking for trouble.

 

Thought the worse decision was shirt tugging against Thiaw. Both at it, and to give a yellow card for shirt tugging in that position is something I don't ever think I've seen before and an still confused by.

 

 

Edited April 13 by geordiesteve710

[Yorkie]

Obscenely harsh decision in the ManU/Leeds game imo. Crazy that there can't be a bit of a sliding scale for an incident like that, rather than simply boom, you've done it, you're off. It's a microsecond and it's not harmed the player at all. If there has to be a hard line, give him a booking and just get on with the game. 

 

Only saw the highlights but I gather it was a VAR intervention? Surely had to be. I am actually in favour of VAR on the specific matter of dishing out red cards if the ref has missed something truly heinous but howay. That's just proper hall monitor shit from the guy in the booth. Sir! Sir! He pulled his hair look!

[Froggy]

7 hours ago, Yorkie said:

Obscenely harsh decision in the ManU/Leeds game imo. Crazy that there can't be a bit of a sliding scale for an incident like that, rather than simply boom, you've done it, you're off. It's a microsecond and it's not harmed the player at all. If there has to be a hard line, give him a booking and just get on with the game. 

 

Only saw the highlights but I gather it was a VAR intervention? Surely had to be. I am actually in favour of VAR on the specific matter of dishing out red cards if the ref has missed something truly heinous but howay. That's just proper hall monitor shit from the guy in the booth. Sir! Sir! He pulled his hair look!

 

Aye it was. Was a fair bit after the incident.

 

Martinez is a dirty bastard and has that sort of thing in his locker but I don't think there was any intent with this one. It was a really poor decision, and one of many last night, but ultimately not something we can blame the result on.

 

The first half reminded me of the 0-2 against Newcastle in December 2024. Just completely blown away in the first half and lucky it was only 2. We unfortunately didn't have Mainoo to bring in this time to steady the ship.

[AyeDubbleYoo]

On 12/04/2026 at 23:01, Yorkie said:

This is just the nature of penalties but it's absolutely mental how that action from Botman is rewarded with his team losing the game. They're such an insanely disproportionate punishment at times. 

Said it loads of times, we have such a low scoring sport that awarding free goals for minor offences is insane. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

On 12/04/2026 at 21:54, Sir Joel Inton said:

Thought it was a stonewall penalty to be honest. For once you can actually see the action of the shirt pull changing the movement of the impacted player, admittedly before he feels it and throws himself to the floor dramatically.

 

The issue of consistency is a different conversation but not sure how anyone can dispute that being a foul.

 

 

 

It’s a foul but there are 3 or so fouls in that one image alone. Probably another 2 or 3 off camera. And then the same number at probably every set piece in the game. That’s the issue. 

 

 

Edited April 14 by AyeDubbleYoo

[John P]

1 hour ago, AyeDubbleYoo said:

Said it loads of times, we have such a low scoring sport that awarding free goals for minor offences is insane. 

It is mad when you think about it. Here, have an 80% chance of a goal because the ball inadvertently hit someone's hand on the edge of the box which was going nowhere

[Craig]

On 12/04/2026 at 21:55, Benwell Lad said:

Said so many times previously no Madley should be allowed anywhere near a Newcastle game, in any capacity.

They hate us and it have consistently cost us with corrupt decisions over many years.

Yes, it's a foul but the consistency and timing aspect has been eloquently explained in the posts above.

 

 

 

He loves to give soft decisions against us, wasn't he in charge for Chelsea at St James which is the most dodgy refereeing of a NUFC game I've ever seen.

[Benwell Lad]

3 hours ago, Craig said:

He loves to give soft decisions against us, wasn't he in charge for Chelsea at St James which is the most dodgy refereeing of a NUFC game I've ever seen.

 

Yes, and Liverpool at home last season when he blew up for full time as we were breaking rapidly towards their goal with 3 on 2 and loads of space, right on the 5 minutes of extra time despite a 2 minute delay for a free kick. He then booked Pope for asking Why? and had earlier denied us a clear penalty after a blatant trip in the box.

It's every fucking game that he's involved in with us.

And fwiw I think he'd decided Palace were getting a penalty before the throw was even taken on Sunday whatever happened and possibly hadn't even seen the shirt pulling when he blew.