Dogawful Officiating

[54]

13 minutes ago, joeyt said:

Did Enzo get banned at all for the racist chanting in Argentinia about French players?

Apparently because it happened for his national team during the Copa America, it fulls under FIFA and CONMEBOL's jurisdiction, which means the FA can't charge Enzo as much as they probably would have wanted too. However with Bentancur it happened while not on International duty and in his spare time, so he they can charge him as he's representing Tottenham in that moment.

 

According to the BBC, if the FA could have charged Enzo, he'd have been slapped with a 8 to 12 game ban.

[leffe186]

7 minutes ago, 54 said:

Apparently because it happened for his national team during the Copa America, it fulls under FIFA and CONMEBOL's jurisdiction, which means the FA can't charge Enzo as much as they probably would have wanted too. However with Bentancur it happened while not on International duty and in his spare time, so he they can charge him as he's representing Tottenham in that moment.

 

According to the BBC, if the FA could have charged Enzo, he'd have been slapped with a 8 to 12 game ban.

IIRC we actually play Chelsea during the ban too

[joeyt]

Remember when Shelvey got 8 games calling Saiss a cous cous nonce

[KaKa]

On 17/11/2024 at 14:34, St. Maximin said:

I do a bit of hockey umpiring and while I’m not saying Premier League reffing and upper London league amateur hockey are the same… but yesterday I had a mare and jokingly told a player to “f*** off” after he said I didn’t know the rules right in front of him. I then gave him a lower card after realising I’d overstepped. We laughed about it afterwards, but it made me realise how easy it must be to say something in the moment when players and managers really can be horrible. There’s 22 of them and often most of the stadium might be against you too. 
 

Refs have to make often tough decisions over something that happens very fast in a high pressure environment and are subject to abuse from thousands of people and public scrutiny, in a career that is not long. £70k is not a lot for that in the slightest 

 

 

 

 

I'd be sending off at least two players and one of the managers every game the way they carry on.

 

A big part of the problem is players and managers behaviour, which needs improving, which would help with a lot of these issues.

 

These refs are grown men with wives and kids back home. Getting in their faces and screaming at them is so disrespectful.

 

Some of those pictures of Klopp right on top of them berating them man ... deserves to have those goofy teeth slapped out of his stupid face.

 

 

Edited November 18 by KaKa

[Groundhog63]

 

[Likelylad]

More refs should take the Collina approach and square back up to them. Klopp especially is a bully.

 

You just know the PGOMOL or whoever else wouldn’t have their backs like.

 

 

Edited November 18 by Likelylad

[Bimpy474]

28 minutes ago, Likelylad said:

More refs should take the Collina approach and square back up them. Klopp especially is a bully.

 

You just know the PGOMOL or whoever else wouldn’t have their backs 

 

Squaring up unfortunately is all some need to justify setting upon you, it would be your own fault then, according to them.

 

The rage, the anger and vitriol, because you thought it was a corner not a goal kick, well it beggars belief, honestly it's bonkers the way some parents get.

 

And, as someone who doesn't scare easily, sometimes you get unnerved by certain teams and their utterly mental parents, and 99% of the time it's parents in Youth football, not the managers who go way too far. God knows what a teenage ref thinks and feels. My heart goes out to them for what they have to face. 

 

I only refereed in youth football myself as I still played at the time, but I enjoyed refereeing. I can't say I would recommend it, well unless you can stay calm and have the thickest of skins.

 

 

[madras]

45 minutes ago, Likelylad said:

More refs should take the Collina approach and square back up them. Klopp especially is a bully.

 

You just know the PGOMOL or whoever else wouldn’t have their backs like.

Don't even need to square up, just don't back off and use the cards for what they are meant.

[Likelylad]

I just meant in the pro game but yeah I can only imagine what it’s like in the lower echelons. Some right heed the balls around. 
 

It’s been an issue for years. Rewatching some of the footage of Man U back in the day is genuinely disgraceful. 

[Kaizero]

3 hours ago, madras said:

Don't even need to square up, just don't back off and use the cards for what they are meant.

 

They don't make 'em like him anymore  

 

My favorite trivia about Collina is how he was the only active Serie A referee during the match fixing scandal that the match fixers couldn't turn, no matter how much money they tried to buy him with. When money didn't work, their next move was to pay a player to "accidentially" tackle and injure Collina, allowing for a bribed referee to ref the games he'd miss because of that injury... they got no takers, as even though they'd been bribed to fix matches already and seemingly had no fear of being caught doing that, they all feared Collina so much that nobody dared go near him   

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Had to phone a referee up tonight because a lad from our second team spat in his face after being sent off. The ref was 18 and it’s his second year refereeing. I apologised on behalf of the club and stressed how much I hoped it wouldn’t put him off refereeing.

 

Refereeing is such a hard job and the lack of respect shown to referees is shameful. 

[El Prontonise]

3 minutes ago, Shays Given Tim Flowers said:

Had to phone a referee up tonight because a lad from our second team spat in his face after being sent off. The ref was 18 and it’s his second year refereeing. I apologised on behalf of the club and stressed how much I hoped it wouldn’t put him off refereeing.

 

Refereeing is such a hard job and the lack of respect shown to referees is shameful. 

 

That's awful behaviour that.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Yeah player has been immediately de-registered and banned from the club. 
 

I told the ref that the club supported him in whatever action he chose to take and that we wouldn’t be disputing his events. 
 

I have no time for that sort of thing at all. Shameful to be part of a club associated with that behaviour. 

[Joelinton7]

They need to be all camera’d and mic’d up. It wouldn’t put an end to it but it’d make the radge bastards with a chip on their shoulder think twice. Upload it to some sort of FA database after every game so we can have the fuckers on file. Can also be used for ref’s to make improvements in their game. They do it because they’ve got the backup of their mates and there is little to no repercussions. It’s not just players as well, it’s fans. Most of them don’t even realise they’re doing it, it’s just habitual. They do it to get a laugh out of the crowd. Tosspots. 

[Big Geordie]

Colina was a terrific ref - I think there was a move to get him over here when he finished Serie A. If memory serves, he was also in the middle the night we beat Barcelona 3-2, back in 1997.

 

There was also a big dutch ref about 20 odd years ago - nearly as tall as me. He didn't take any rubbish either.

[Shays Given Tim Flowers]

Refs get a lot of shit for not being perfect too. So many decisions are open to interpretation.

[Adam]

I know people hate the idea of sin bins, but yellow and red cards are really poor tools to manage a game with. Yellows are really meaningless on the whole, yes players might be more careful but when you know the next time you give a yellow its a sending off it can't be easy for refs. Having sin bin cards instead of yellows (they could still stack up for bans over a period), and red cards for actual violence and maybe deliberate actions like hand ball on the line. This gives the ref far more control over the game as if someone is a twat and makes a shit tackle they're off for 5 mins, do it again and its now 10 mins etc. Works in other sports would work in football. 

[jack j]

24 minutes ago, Adam said:

I know people hate the idea of sin bins, but yellow and red cards are really poor tools to manage a game with. Yellows are really meaningless on the whole, yes players might be more careful but when you know the next time you give a yellow its a sending off it can't be easy for refs. Having sin bin cards instead of yellows (they could still stack up for bans over a period), and red cards for actual violence and maybe deliberate actions like hand ball on the line. This gives the ref far more control over the game as if someone is a twat and makes a shit tackle they're off for 5 mins, do it again and its now 10 mins etc. Works in other sports would work in football. 

They Use sin bins in the northern league

Mental the shite refs get at that level. Kids football can be bad as well like

[Colos Short and Curlies]

Obv it’s the coaches who ‘ref’ at u6 and u7 but we had a lad in the u6s on Saturday take a real swipe at another kid, he was taken off immediately but we had the 2 dads, both meat heads going right at it rather than let the coaches sort it out. Just a lack of control and respect even at that level.

 

the u7s dads have also pushed a bullshit rivalry with another team from when they were kids onto the kids. Totally a one sided rivalry but it’s leading kids getting teased at school and a real horrible atmosphere when the boys play each other.

 

no surprise that the kids grow up with an attitude of thinking they can do and say what they like 

[80]

Didn't even make the top 10 of important things from last night, but VAR not getting involved on the Wilson penalty was shite once again. Would be far better if it just didn't exist. I knew the game really was dead and buried at that point.

[alexf]

Yeah same. Felt like nothing was going out way and that was the cherry on top. If we score then it was around 75 mins or something right? Might have given us the momentum to get a draw atleast. 

 

The last angle they showed it was such a blatant foul as it stopped Wilson from getting anything on the ball. 

[Tisd09]

I think the pen shout last night was one of those that may have been given pre-VAR, seems like a lot of refs are cautious with some fouls because they know VAR will bail them out if they are totally wrong. I'd imagine had it been given on field then it wouldn't have been overturned and in VAR's eyes not a clear and obvious error. 

[AyeDubbleYoo]

I knew it wouldn’t be given live, but I thought jt would look so bad on the replay they might have to give it. 

[80]

1 minute ago, Tisd09 said:

I think the pen shout last night was one of those that may have been given pre-VAR, seems like a lot of refs are cautious with some fouls because they know VAR will bail them out if they are totally wrong. I'd imagine had it been given on field then it wouldn't have been overturned and in VAR's eyes not a clear and obvious error. 

Yep, VAR changes how referees perform on the pitch. And then VAR respects the already affected on field decision.

[Cf]

44 minutes ago, 80 said:

Yep, VAR changes how referees perform on the pitch. And then VAR respects the already affected on field decision.

 

I don't get why it isn't a more collaborative process. Ref just needs to go "I'm not sure that I saw enough in it but what do you guys think"? "Defender has taken him down with no effort to play the ball, you might want to have a look".

 

How hard is that?