Guest alijmitchell Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Idiots expect HBA to be world class and win us matches single handedly, and when he doesn't he's instantly s****. He is by far our best player who has been managed disgustingly and used as a scapegoat by our cowardly c*** of a manager. How people can't see this is beyond me. I'm suprised he's still willing to put the shirt on. Fucksake, talk about blowing people's arguments out of proportion, no one expects him to win sindlehandedly. It's obvious he's been poorly managed, but it's also obvious that he's unfit, and makes poor decisions on the ball. Sissoko, Anita, were also s*** today granted, but as Ben Arfa is our best player, and everyone knows it, so perhaps more is expected from him. His performance today was very poor, accept it and move on. Unfit while we have Santon, and the Ameobi brother running less than him. Jesus. Get a grip man, all you're doing now is twisting my point by highlighting that he ran a bit more than 3 players who were absolute dog shit today as well. Hatem was shit today, in a shit team, where has wasn't the worst but was still outstandingly shit. The shit team was managed by an equally shit manager, who set the team up badly, but who does not control every decision a player makes on the pitch. Get it? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Do you think he looks fit by the way? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Do you think he looks fit by the way? He looks too big and unfit. He needs to drop half a stone. A player like Ben Arfa is useless in fits and starts. He needs to be given a role in the side and allowed to play week in week out. RW is his best position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Exiled in Texas Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Nope. Didn't look fit. And neither did the whole team. Too much jogging not enough running. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Do you think he looks fit by the way? He looks too big and unfit. He needs to drop half a stone. A player like Ben Arfa is useless in fits and starts. He needs to be given a role in the side and allowed to play week in week out. RW is his best position. I'd agree. He looks nothing like the quicksilver player we bought under Hughton. He has been spectacularly mismanaged and he needs to move to get back on track. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Do you think he looks fit by the way? He looks too big and unfit. He needs to drop half a stone. A player like Ben Arfa is useless in fits and starts. He needs to be given a role in the side and allowed to play week in week out. RW is his best position. I'd agree. He looks nothing like the quicksilver player we bought under Hughton. He has been spectacularly mismanaged and he needs to move to get back on track. The whole Ben Arfa thing probably pisses me off more than losing 3-0 at home to the mackems. Stevie fucking wonder would see what he can bring to the side, but Pardew doesn't have a clue how to use a player like Ben Arfa which is scary because you only have to play him RW and week in week out. That's it. His talent is so special and he does work hard for the side, he will deliver the goods more often than not, if played every game in his best position. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Flip Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Idiots expect HBA to be world class and win us matches single handedly, and when he doesn't he's instantly s****. He is by far our best player who has been managed disgustingly and used as a scapegoat by our cowardly c*** of a manager. How people can't see this is beyond me. I'm suprised he's still willing to put the shirt on. Fucksake, talk about blowing people's arguments out of proportion, no one expects him to win sindlehandedly. It's obvious he's been poorly managed, but it's also obvious that he's unfit, and makes poor decisions on the ball. Sissoko, Anita, were also s*** today granted, but as Ben Arfa is our best player, and everyone knows it, so perhaps more is expected from him. His performance today was very poor, accept it and move on. Unfit while we have Santon, and the Ameobi brother running less than him. Jesus. Get a grip man, all you're doing now is twisting my point by highlighting that he ran a bit more than 3 players who were absolute dog s*** today as well. Hatem was s*** today, in a s*** team, where has wasn't the worst but was still outstandingly s***. The s*** team was managed by an equally s*** manager, who set the team up badly, but who does not control every decision a player makes on the pitch. Get it? I agree with some points but I'll let it go. Trying to get a point across on this forum is usually hard with stubborn people. I'll just ask the same question as Parky did, who should he be passing to when movement is absolute zero. It's him and Sissoko on the ball, both finding each other, but no one other to show as an option. It's terrible management from the off today. We lost because of Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
hoppaz Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Do you think he looks fit by the way? He looks too big and unfit. He needs to drop half a stone. A player like Ben Arfa is useless in fits and starts. He needs to be given a role in the side and allowed to play week in week out. RW is his best position. Half a stone?! The neutrals in the pub I watched the match today said he looked unfit and there was even a reference to Mido. None of them Mackems btw just outsiders lookin in. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The Hatem saga and watching the piecemeal dismantling of the confidence and self-worth of the lad is one of the saddest things I've witnessed in some time. He really is a shadow of his former glorious self. If I was his agent I'd tell him to get out ASAP. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robbo Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Ye mam's unfit Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dave Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 NPW Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 I know the new 'thing' in football is to adopt a pressing game high up the pitch, but just imagine how devastating he could be in those circumstances. Too often today there was absolutely no-one near their back four as we kept our 'shape'. A fit Ben Arfa should be playing wide right, and used as an attacking outlet, not to dictate the game. His position, along with the direct football style today was totally unsuited to him, (and to a lot of other players in the team might I add), and he had a shit game. I do feel that he is partly responsible for his performances however - he is predictable in the sense that you know he is going to run the ball rather than pass and move. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Away Toon Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 We didn't lose because of Pardew, we lost because they played better, both technically and tactically and they wanted it more than our players did. Pardew is a rank average manager but nobody should be excusing the players for that half assed effort. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 We didn't lose because of Pardew, we lost because they played better, both technically and tactically and they wanted it more than our players did. Pardew is a rank average manager but nobody should be excusing the players for that half assed effort. Same manager, different players, same result but don't blame him, you're having a laugh. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 We didn't lose because of Pardew, we lost because they played better, both technically and tactically and they wanted it more than our players did. Pardew is a rank average manager but nobody should be excusing the players for that half assed effort. I'm sorry but 3 hoofs up the pitch from Williamson in the general direction of Shola within the first 20min had doom written all over it...Can only be under instruction. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Imagine if this lad had of played for us under Robson man. Second time I've read this on here. I don't think he'd get near Robson's side. Robert was a far better player and Solano was better suited to getting the best out of Shearer and Bellamy. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Imagine if this lad had of played for us under Robson man. Second time I've read this on here. I don't think he'd get near Robson's side. Robert was a far better player and Solano was better suited to getting the best out of Shearer and Bellamy. Agree. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 The players are shit scared of this fixture and with it the mackems because our manager and his cowardly tactics and approach to these games. They go into these games with a dare not lose mentality and when we go a goal down they panic and think fuck, that's it, we're beaten, shit... You can see it in our play whenever we face them. It used to be the other way around. We are literally a beaten side before a ball is kicked. I and thousands of others knew we were going to lose today, regardless of the Cabaye sale or Remy loss. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
tmonkey Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hatem is miles better than Robert in the middle third of the pitch - in no way, shape or form was Robert anywhere near as good at beating players and opening things up. Robert's shooting was better and crossing considerably better, but he played in a significantly better team too and therefore had greater freedom to get on the end of chances. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mole_Toonfan Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hatem is miles better than Robert in the middle third of the pitch - in no way, shape or form was Robert anywhere near as good at beating players and opening things up. Robert's shooting was better and crossing considerably better, but he played in a significantly better team too and therefore had greater freedom to get on the end of chances. Agree with everything here but at the end of the day Robert was a thousand times more effective and Hatem is shit on the left. So the point is moot. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
The Prophet Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Imagine if this lad had of played for us under Robson man. Second time I've read this on here. I don't think he'd get near Robson's side. Robert was a far better player and Solano was better suited to getting the best out of Shearer and Bellamy. Agree. I didn't mean it quite so literally like, more the abstract thought of him being able to express himself via a manager that would give him the confidence he needs. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Idiots expect HBA to be world class and win us matches single handedly, and when he doesn't he's instantly s****. He is by far our best player who has been managed disgustingly and used as a scapegoat by our cowardly c*** of a manager. How people can't see this is beyond me. I'm suprised he's still willing to put the shirt on. Fucksake, talk about blowing people's arguments out of proportion, no one expects him to win sindlehandedly. It's obvious he's been poorly managed, but it's also obvious that he's unfit, and makes poor decisions on the ball. Sissoko, Anita, were also s*** today granted, but as Ben Arfa is our best player, and everyone knows it, so perhaps more is expected from him. His performance today was very poor, accept it and move on. Unfit while we have Santon, and the Ameobi brother running less than him. Jesus. Get a grip man, all you're doing now is twisting my point by highlighting that he ran a bit more than 3 players who were absolute dog s*** today as well. Hatem was s*** today, in a s*** team, where has wasn't the worst but was still outstandingly s***. The s*** team was managed by an equally s*** manager, who set the team up badly, but who does not control every decision a player makes on the pitch. Get it? I agree with some points but I'll let it go. Trying to get a point across on this forum is usually hard with stubborn people. I'll just ask the same question as Parky did, who should he be passing to when movement is absolute zero. It's him and Sissoko on the ball, both finding each other, but no one other to show as an option. It's terrible management from the off today. We lost because of Pardew. I'm with you there. Look, the match is really a cloud of rage for me so trying to recall specific examples is tough, but there were times were I wanted him to recycle it (even if it meant passing back to anita or tiote, or a full back), a couple times on the left where he cut in, dragged back etc. and was eventually bundled off it by Bardsley, another time first half where his touch/knock forward rocketed for miles and went out, and another really poor through ball when cutting in. I think, off the top of my head. I'm not excusing others or Pardew, because everyone is rank, it is just so frustrating to see such a wonderful player make poor choices or execute things so badly. His performances are put in the spotlight more than most because he really could be a top player, but is regressing fast. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Howaythetoon Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Imagine if this lad had of played for us under Robson man. Second time I've read this on here. I don't think he'd get near Robson's side. Robert was a far better player and Solano was better suited to getting the best out of Shearer and Bellamy. I think Sir Bobby would have dropped Solano for Ben Arfa myself, he would have recognised his outrageous ability and match winning capabilities and found a place for him, without a doubt. Solano was great and provided good balance but Bobby was always looking to find someone for that right side ahead of him. You have to remember also, that Sir Bobby was constantly looking to evolve how we played. He would have eventually looked to replace Robert because he was looking to replace Shearer with someone more mobile and more able to play without wingers etc. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 What a load of guff. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
mozy Posted February 1, 2014 Share Posted February 1, 2014 Hatem is miles better than Robert in the middle third of the pitch - in no way, shape or form was Robert anywhere near as good at beating players and opening things up. Robert's shooting was better and crossing considerably better, but he played in a significantly better team too and therefore had greater freedom to get on the end of chances. So what your saying is Robert was much better at doing the things that actually matter (Goals), whilst Hatem is good at beating someone to then fuck up the pass/shot? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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