CPL Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 He will want to be playing as much as he can, France in The World Cup and he will be desperate to be part of it. It will have been made very clear to him that he must improve his play when we don't have the ball, not tracking back once or twice but every time, Gouff is a shinning example pf work rate and commitment if Benny can add that to his game along with his flare and be consistent then no reason why he cannot be a starting 11 player again. Ben Arfa shouldn't have to keep tracking back, he should do his stuff at the other end where he can win us games, he's unlikely to win us games in our half. We don't need to play with 11 men behind the ball, that just invited teams onto us. We need an outlet, something we didn't have on Wednesday and look what happened. Disagree look at Aguero's work rate in the man city team. Must be a dream to play alongside similar to Bellamy but obviously a lot better player. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
AyeDubbleYoo Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 However much he works, he's never going to be more hard working than Gouffran or Sissoko. They're just naturally more solid players. Therefore IMO it's down to the manager deciding which option he wants to go for. Hatem will never be more solid than the alternatives, if solidity is the criteria that's used. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Disagree look at Aguero's work rate in the man city team. Must be a dream to play alongside similar to Bellamy but obviously a lot better player. I didn't say that he shouldn't work hard, he should. What I want to see from him though is him playing his football in the opponents half. I do realise that today might not be the best game for him to do that as Man U as home can kill you if they get it right. I'm sick of seeing us sitting back so often and the 2 players we have who can hurt the opposition are Remy and Ben Arfa. Optimistic Nut mentioned how Ben Arfa didn't track back against Hull and he's right to a point. What I don't agree with is that we had to play the way we did against them. We destroyed them for 15 to 20 minutes then like a Tortoise, we retreated into our shell and we allowed Hull to get at us. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 However much he works, he's never going to be more hard working than Gouffran or Sissoko. They're just naturally more solid players. Therefore IMO it's down to the manager deciding which option he wants to go for. Hatem will never be more solid than the alternatives, if solidity is the criteria that's used. Ben Arfa probably doesn't work as hard as Sissoko or Goufran and he doesn't have to. Sissoko and Goufran have to work harder because they don't have the quality of Ben Arfa who can at times walk around players as if they weren't even on the pitch. I'm still convinced that if we are to get the best out of him we need to work on our movement as a team and give him options when he can't do everything on his own. He'll still make the wrong decision at times just like every other footballer, when he get's it right it is spectacular and massively effective. How many times have you or others shouted for him to do something and he hasn't and it's worked? He has scored some brilliant goals for us and I bet people were screaming at him to do something different. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chris_R Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Here's a revolutionary idea: Instead of trying to change Ben Arfa into a better defender, why don't we just try to accomodate him and get the best out of him? Frighteningly controversial, I know... Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I'd like to see him given a go just off Remy through the middle. Seems Pardew is most comfortable when he's got two solid banks of four, and Ben Arfa doesn't really fit into that. He's wasted doing so much defensive work in any case. Pardew needs to go to him and tell him he's getting a free role just off the striker with fuck all defensive responsibility, tell him this is his opportunity to make the team his. See if that lights a fire under HBA. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I'd like to see him given a go just off Remy through the middle. Seems Pardew is most comfortable when he's got two solid banks of four, and Ben Arfa doesn't really fit into that. He's wasted doing so much defensive work in any case. Pardew needs to go to him and tell him he's getting a free role just off the striker with f*** all defensive responsibility, tell him this is his opportunity to make the team his. See if that lights a fire under HBA. I agree but he's looked lost there before, he needs to have a free role and always drift wide to collect the ball Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Shak Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Aye, which is why I said he should get a free role. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiresias Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Aye, which is why I said he should get a free role. good point oops Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
sempuki Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Really want him to start today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Varadi Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 I'd like to see him given a go just off Remy through the middle. Seems Pardew is most comfortable when he's got two solid banks of four, and Ben Arfa doesn't really fit into that. He's wasted doing so much defensive work in any case. Pardew needs to go to him and tell him he's getting a free role just off the striker with fuck all defensive responsibility, tell him this is his opportunity to make the team his. See if that lights a fire under HBA. That seems the only real option for him in the current system, would like to see it given a go today, if only because I usually enjoy our games much more when he's playing. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest hatem garrincha Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Brilliant today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kanj Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Brilliant today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gallowgate Toon Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Much better, showed good intelligence for when to run/pass. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Elliottman Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Was very good. Great to see him back. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Newcastle Fan Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 The fat f*** played his part. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Parky Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Took the pressure off at key moments when they just couldn't get the ball from him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
SAK Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Loved it when he blocked of Moyes from throwing the ball to his player to restart play quickly. Moyes was well pissed. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dinho lad Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Did OK. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Segun Oluwaniyi Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 The only problem is that he can't play on the right. Never mind protection. Sissoko and Debuchy have been a force and a real partnership going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geordie Ahmed Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Did very well, though a little naive at times. Man-U were diving all over the place and we should have done it at times to ease the pressure Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sean Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Definitely did enough to force a start next game. We went from being solid to being dangerous once he came on today. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest palnese Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Man Utd looked shit scared of him. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
David28 Posted December 7, 2013 Share Posted December 7, 2013 Kept the ball at times which was just so vital Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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