Guest chopey Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 The trouble is, despite the talent, he still plays like an 18 year old who's only just broken into the first team. Too many times, he doesn't play to the situation that's in front of him, and gives in to the temptation to try and beat an opponent. Developing that kind of judgement is something that a player has to learn by experience. A coach can only do so much. And as has been pointed out, other managers have found the same problem. He produces some great moments, but ultimately it's a team game. A manager with half a brain would give him a free role like Messi .................................thats right I said it Messi Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Disco Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Hate to say it but if Pardew's here to stay (which I believe he is) it's probably for the best to move Ben Arfa on. Pardew clearly doesn't trust him or know how to use him effectively and we 'need' the money to buy and pay someone else. Same goes for Marveaux etc. We've signed these players based on their potential to increase in value, nothing else. Certainly not based on whether the manager can use them. Will he know how to use whichever French/Dutch players we in to replace him (and not necessarily in the same position)? Unlikely. He hasn't with Sissoko, Marveaux, Anita, etc. Fair enough he's found a role for Gouffran. If HBA is on the way out, it's a shame there wasn't a young English winger that was available for peanuts that we could have signed in Jan from a Championship club. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 While you're right, it's frightening what sort of team he'd assemble given the chance. Could set us back a fair bit I don't think he's against talented players obviously, he just apparently goes with ones he can feel he can trust to carry out his instructions whatever they may be. Hence his obsession with playing the likes of Jonas, both Taylors, Perch, Harewood, Mullins... Tooj will shoot me down for mentioning this again, but if a flair player is performing, he also has no issues playing him. Ben Arfa back end of 11/12 season, Benayoun when he was at West Ham for the season...ok I'm scratching my head after that, but if Ben Arfa was playing as he could, he's first player on the team sheet. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 He clearly wants players in wide positions who are good defensively and this shows massive flaws in the way he wants his teams to play. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Tooj will shoot me down for mentioning this again, but if a flair player is performing, he also has no issues playing him. Ben Arfa back end of 11/12 season, Benayoun when he was at West Ham for the season...ok I'm scratching my head after that, but if Ben Arfa was playing as he could, he's first player on the team sheet. Hold on, what did it take for Ben Arfa to get dropped? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest neesy111 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Keep it tight, get a goal / 2 and hang on for the rest of the game, it's clear to me this is the only way he see's us playing going forward. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Tooj will shoot me down for mentioning this again, but if a flair player is performing, he also has no issues playing him. Ben Arfa back end of 11/12 season, Benayoun when he was at West Ham for the season...ok I'm scratching my head after that, but if Ben Arfa was playing as he could, he's first player on the team sheet. Hold on, what did it take for Ben Arfa to get dropped? There was a run of games after Villa where he wasn't performing well and becoming a bit of a passenger. You can get away with the lack of tracking a full-back for example against Hull, if he's going to then make or score one himself, but that spell, he wasn't. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 I for one feel that for all concerned he needs to go, if our fucking winnet of a manager is sticking about. The only bright side of it I can see is that when the dust settles, Pardew will try and exert control over transfers. Being the total fucking clueless prick that he is, he'll attempt to bring in a load of shit. Carr will go, the clueless cunts who support him will see that he has bought a bunch of inept players and turn on him, finally accepting his incompetence, rather than making excuses for him. It could be a very very stupid move by Parsehole. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
matta Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-58SuytPtx6M/T52wm84WMGI/AAAAAAAAAEE/LJp56lNnDUk/s1600/lazo.jpg Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest chopey Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Colo seems to change our whole style of play whenever he's on the pitch, he saved our season last year and when he plays the rest of our team just gels Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
WarrenBartonCentrePartin Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Pardle's probably creaming his knickers that Ryan Taylor is on the mend. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 He clearly wants players in wide positions who are good defensively and this shows massive flaws in the way he wants his teams to play. This is correct. He wants to set up with 7,8,9 of our 11 on defensive duties first and foremost. Keep it solid, clear your lines and try and nick a goal. Play like an underdog in every game. It's easily reflected in the team selections and the turgid dross we serve up. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
loki679 Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Tooj will shoot me down for mentioning this again, but if a flair player is performing, he also has no issues playing him. Ben Arfa back end of 11/12 season, Benayoun when he was at West Ham for the season...ok I'm scratching my head after that, but if Ben Arfa was playing as he could, he's first player on the team sheet. Hold on, what did it take for Ben Arfa to get dropped? There was a run of games after Villa where he wasn't performing well and becoming a bit of a passenger. You can get away with the lack of tracking a full-back for example against Hull, if he's going to then make or score one himself, but that spell, he wasn't. Two games, one of which was an absolutely shocking team performance (Everton), is a run? After those games he was played out of position also. He's a menace on the right of a front 3 so we elected to play him anywhere but there. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 There was a run of games after Villa where he wasn't performing well and becoming a bit of a passenger. You can get away with the lack of tracking a full-back for example against Hull, if he's going to then make or score one himself, but that spell, he wasn't. The run of games was Hull and one half at Everton when he was one of our better players in a poor half, he and Mbiwa were the players to come off at half time. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ronaldo Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 One of our better players against Everton? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ikon Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 God i hate Pardew! I wanna break stuff when i see his name and face. Disgusting man in every way! Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 There was a run of games after Villa where he wasn't performing well and becoming a bit of a passenger. You can get away with the lack of tracking a full-back for example against Hull, if he's going to then make or score one himself, but that spell, he wasn't. The run of games was Hull and one half at Everton when he was one of our better players in a poor half, he and Mbiwa were the players to come off at half time. Coincided with the run of games where we did well though didn't it? (Sunderland away apart) Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 One of our better players against Everton? In the first half he was. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sima Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Ultimately this is the same cunt that had Carlos Tevez and Javier Mascherano warming the bench, preferring Hayden Mullins and Marlon Harewood. Utter fucking wanksplat that he is. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mick Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Coincided with the run of games where we did well though didn't it? (Sunderland away apart) We could have had those results with him though. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peppe Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Need to get rid of Pardew before he gets rid of Hatem Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
KDT Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Needs to be more unrest at games against Pardew. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest alijmitchell Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 What a total shambles this is. Can you imagine the calibre of player we will be after in the summer? If our policy is to continue down the talented French player route then we are fucked. French chairman detest us, talented French players are mistrusted, and have obviously regressed, and we have no star man to entice them. The French players will want out as soon as hba leaves. We will have to go elsewhere. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mike Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Am I crazy, or were we only good when HBA came on in the last game? Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Posted February 15, 2014 Share Posted February 15, 2014 Coincided with the run of games where we did well though didn't it? (Sunderland away apart) We could have had those results with him though. We'll never know that, but a fair few goals & assists in that run came from Gouffran & Sissoko who were keeping him out. Link to post Share on other sites More sharing options...
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